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With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9 low
is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I except to
find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really it is
stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and vista
betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card with
raid 5

Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the score
keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron score
will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever change
and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of what
else is on the market.

The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine will
perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware would
survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.

A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points that
I can think of.


Tony. . .


"Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
low
> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I except
to
> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really it
is
> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and vista
> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card with
> raid 5
>
>

point taken, The transition from all the dual and tri boots and finally
sticking to one operating system on a pretty stable computer is probably
where I need to be. The video card was worth doing but from there I see no
real need to do anything. It is a clean install all drives but my photos
where formatted when I reinstalled. I think I am at the point of holding
and making the thing work. Vista Ultimate 64 on the desk top and vista
premium on a tablet 32 bit will take some getting used to but so did xp
and 2000 and 98. Time to settle in and learn and stop playing with the
parts. Thanks
"Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
> score
> keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron score
> will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
> change
> and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
> what
> else is on the market.
>
> The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
> will
> perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
> would
> survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
>
> A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
> that
> I can think of.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
> low
>> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I except
> to
>> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really it
> is
>> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
>> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and vista
>> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
>> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card with
>> raid 5
>>
>>
>
>

Actually from what I have read the vista scores are a fixed benchmark and
will not fall as time goes on, instead new levels (6 and higher) are due to
be released as new hardware requires it.
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...epth-look.aspx

Quote:
"Over time, as systems become more advanced, we expect to introduce higher
levels of 6 and beyond. This will be done approximately every 12-18 months,
as new innovations in hardware become available. When new base scores are
introduced, existing scores will not change (i.e. a PC with a base scored of
2.2 today will score a 2.2 in the new updated index, unless its components
are upgraded)."

HTH
Robert

"Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
> score
> keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron score
> will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
> change
> and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
> what
> else is on the market.
>
> The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
> will
> perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
> would
> survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
>
> A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
> that
> I can think of.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
> low
>> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I except
> to
>> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really it
> is
>> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
>> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and vista
>> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
>> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card with
>> raid 5
>>
>>
>
>

You are absolutely right. You have to find the spot at which to make a stop.
I do not have personal experience from Opterons, but I remember the
technology leap they represented when they came and there is no doubt in my
mind that they can easily run circles around much of the more modern
equipment, even today.

I think you've made some well tempered decisions for a very healthy system -
change it now and you risk breaking the original concept.

"The buck you save or spend, will be measured against the lenght of time you
will have to live with your investment" - is a good thought, that I try to
live by - you have got to trust your own instinct as to when you hit the
'Happiness Factor'. If you run a Benchmark, there is a huge chance that
you'll find some odd thing or other that you think you may want to change.


Tony. . .



"Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
news:...
> point taken, The transition from all the dual and tri boots and finally
> sticking to one operating system on a pretty stable computer is probably
> where I need to be. The video card was worth doing but from there I see
no
> real need to do anything. It is a clean install all drives but my photos
> where formatted when I reinstalled. I think I am at the point of holding
> and making the thing work. Vista Ultimate 64 on the desk top and vista
> premium on a tablet 32 bit will take some getting used to but so did xp
> and 2000 and 98. Time to settle in and learn and stop playing with the
> parts. Thanks
> "Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> > Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
> > score
> > keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron score
> > will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
> > change
> > and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
> > what
> > else is on the market.
> >
> > The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
> > will
> > perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
> > would
> > survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
> >
> > A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
> > that
> > I can think of.
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
> > news:%...
> >> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
> > low
> >> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I
except
> > to
> >> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really
it
> > is
> >> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
> >> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and
vista
> >> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
> >> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card
with
> >> raid 5
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

This, apparently, is still in the future and it will never be a benchmark as
it is based on assesment of technologies. SATA ll is twice as fast as SATA l
and will have a score point as follows, but that is not a benchmark of how
the equipment performs in YOUR machine, except that you can expect SATA ll
equipment to be faster than if you had chosen SATA l equipment instead.

Interesting - that Microsoft is about to change this, but I don't think it
changes the level of trust the consumer should put to the score as being any
kind of a benchmark.


Tony. . .


"Robert McMillan" <> wrote in message
news:e%...
> Actually from what I have read the vista scores are a fixed benchmark and
> will not fall as time goes on, instead new levels (6 and higher) are due
to
> be released as new hardware requires it.
>
http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...epth-look.aspx
>
> Quote:
> "Over time, as systems become more advanced, we expect to introduce higher
> levels of 6 and beyond. This will be done approximately every 12-18
months,
> as new innovations in hardware become available. When new base scores are
> introduced, existing scores will not change (i.e. a PC with a base scored
of
> 2.2 today will score a 2.2 in the new updated index, unless its components
> are upgraded)."
>
> HTH
> Robert
>
> "Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
> > Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
> > score
> > keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron score
> > will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
> > change
> > and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
> > what
> > else is on the market.
> >
> > The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
> > will
> > perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
> > would
> > survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
> >
> > A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
> > that
> > I can think of.
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
> > news:%...
> >> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
> > low
> >> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I
except
> > to
> >> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really
it
> > is
> >> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
> >> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and
vista
> >> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am running
> >> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card
with
> >> raid 5
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

So far as I know, they were never intended to change. The scores are
"fixed". But it is absolutely true that they are essentially meaningless in
day to day work. What matters is not what the benchmark is for any one
score, but what the actual bottleneck is on any system. So, for example, if
you have a system where you're doing a lot of memory intensive operations,
but ones that don't stress the CPU, then it is your memory scores that
matter, not your CPU score.

In Matt's case, his video card change made a very noticeable change in his
day to day operations. I'm not surprised, there are a lot of things where
the video is the bottleneck in Vista, and getting better video may not
change the final result of how long a particular operation takes, but it
does change how fast it appears to happen. Getting up to a better video card
improves the "snappiness" of Vista significantly.

Changing processors? I really doubt it will make any perceptable difference
at all.

--
Charlie.
"Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
news:...
> This, apparently, is still in the future and it will never be a benchmark
> as
> it is based on assesment of technologies. SATA ll is twice as fast as SATA
> l
> and will have a score point as follows, but that is not a benchmark of how
> the equipment performs in YOUR machine, except that you can expect SATA ll
> equipment to be faster than if you had chosen SATA l equipment instead.
>
> Interesting - that Microsoft is about to change this, but I don't think it
> changes the level of trust the consumer should put to the score as being
> any
> kind of a benchmark.
>
>
> Tony. . .
>
>
> "Robert McMillan" <> wrote in message
> news:e%...
>> Actually from what I have read the vista scores are a fixed benchmark and
>> will not fall as time goes on, instead new levels (6 and higher) are due
> to
>> be released as new hardware requires it.
>>
> http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...epth-look.aspx
>>
>> Quote:
>> "Over time, as systems become more advanced, we expect to introduce
>> higher
>> levels of 6 and beyond. This will be done approximately every 12-18
> months,
>> as new innovations in hardware become available. When new base scores are
>> introduced, existing scores will not change (i.e. a PC with a base scored
> of
>> 2.2 today will score a 2.2 in the new updated index, unless its
>> components
>> are upgraded)."
>>
>> HTH
>> Robert
>>
>> "Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>> > Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
>> > score
>> > keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron
>> > score
>> > will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
>> > change
>> > and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
>> > what
>> > else is on the market.
>> >
>> > The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
>> > will
>> > perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
>> > would
>> > survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
>> >
>> > A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
>> > that
>> > I can think of.
>> >
>> >
>> > Tony. . .
>> >
>> >
>> > "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
>> > news:%...
>> >> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
>> > low
>> >> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I
> except
>> > to
>> >> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really
> it
>> > is
>> >> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
>> >> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and
> vista
>> >> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am
>> >> running
>> >> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card
> with
>> >> raid 5
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

I agree.
Sometimes moving from 2 gigs to 4 gigs of RAM makes your Vista snappier than
upping the uP.
My kid made that move and now when he plays the Crysis game it looks as if
he had the fastest processor in the market, but it is only more RAM and his
"lowly" AMD dual-core 4800+
Carlos

"Charlie Russel - MVP" wrote:

> So far as I know, they were never intended to change. The scores are
> "fixed". But it is absolutely true that they are essentially meaningless in
> day to day work. What matters is not what the benchmark is for any one
> score, but what the actual bottleneck is on any system. So, for example, if
> you have a system where you're doing a lot of memory intensive operations,
> but ones that don't stress the CPU, then it is your memory scores that
> matter, not your CPU score.
>
> In Matt's case, his video card change made a very noticeable change in his
> day to day operations. I'm not surprised, there are a lot of things where
> the video is the bottleneck in Vista, and getting better video may not
> change the final result of how long a particular operation takes, but it
> does change how fast it appears to happen. Getting up to a better video card
> improves the "snappiness" of Vista significantly.
>
> Changing processors? I really doubt it will make any perceptable difference
> at all.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> "Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > This, apparently, is still in the future and it will never be a benchmark
> > as
> > it is based on assesment of technologies. SATA ll is twice as fast as SATA
> > l
> > and will have a score point as follows, but that is not a benchmark of how
> > the equipment performs in YOUR machine, except that you can expect SATA ll
> > equipment to be faster than if you had chosen SATA l equipment instead.
> >
> > Interesting - that Microsoft is about to change this, but I don't think it
> > changes the level of trust the consumer should put to the score as being
> > any
> > kind of a benchmark.
> >
> >
> > Tony. . .
> >
> >
> > "Robert McMillan" <> wrote in message
> > news:e%...
> >> Actually from what I have read the vista scores are a fixed benchmark and
> >> will not fall as time goes on, instead new levels (6 and higher) are due
> > to
> >> be released as new hardware requires it.
> >>
> > http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/wi...epth-look.aspx
> >>
> >> Quote:
> >> "Over time, as systems become more advanced, we expect to introduce
> >> higher
> >> levels of 6 and beyond. This will be done approximately every 12-18
> > months,
> >> as new innovations in hardware become available. When new base scores are
> >> introduced, existing scores will not change (i.e. a PC with a base scored
> > of
> >> 2.2 today will score a 2.2 in the new updated index, unless its
> >> components
> >> are upgraded)."
> >>
> >> HTH
> >> Robert
> >>
> >> "Tony Sperling" <> wrote in message
> >> news:%...
> >> > Do take note of the fact that the Vista score is not a Benchmark, the
> >> > score
> >> > keeps changing as better hardware comes to market and your Opteron
> >> > score
> >> > will keep on falling as time goes on. A benchmark score doesn't ever
> >> > change
> >> > and remember that your CPU will keep on doing it's work independent of
> >> > what
> >> > else is on the market.
> >> >
> >> > The score is an utterly useless measure for how well your Vista machine
> >> > will
> >> > perform - it was introduced as an assesment to how well your hardware
> >> > would
> >> > survive making the change going to Vista, nothing more.
> >> >
> >> > A well maintained system scores far higher than most Vista score-points
> >> > that
> >> > I can think of.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Tony. . .
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Matt Schneyer" <> wrote in message
> >> > news:%...
> >> >> With the new video card at 5.9 memory is at 5.5 disks or at 5.9
> >> > low
> >> >> is dual single core 244 opteron processors. at 4.6 Where would I
> > except
> >> > to
> >> >> find a return on changing processors or is my system maxed out. Really
> > it
> >> > is
> >> >> stable and plenty strong enough for what I do. It is just a thought to
> >> >> finish this build. I have been at it through the betas of xp 64 and
> > vista
> >> >> betas to take it to conclusion is just a thought. Thanks I am
> >> >> running
> >> >> vista ultimate 64/ on a Tyan 2885 board High point 1820 raid card
> > with
> >> >> raid 5
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

Hi,
you can use the performance protocol feature.
mmc->peformance->
jk

First thanks to all who have responded. My goal in all this was to get what
I paid for whether I need it or not. I started this computer before vista
was out, really before xp 64 was out. I picked a board the tyan 2885 by the
reviews I choose the highpoint raid card because it used a part of the
board so not to create a bottleneck, pci x card runs fast raptor drives I
made a mistake with the ram not all of it needed to be registered and ecc
but I errored in a good way the memory is fast and stable. From there I
proceeded on. I figured out how to dress drivers through this group and xp
64 betas I dual booted with xp 32 because my scanners would not work with
xp64. I worked through the vista betas and on and on. I delayed installing
Vista because it meant flashing bios and a reinstall of the operating
system. I did try but reflashed them when I could not see what was on raid
card. This install vista ultimate was because I was ready for a fresh
install. I dropped the dual and triple boot. I went to raid 5, I had all
those extra drives. I married 2 case together because all drives were to
much for one power supply.

In summary I changed a video card twice. a borrowed ATI card because I could
not get Nvidia card to work. then fast 3850 agp card
I moved scanners to a networked computer, it is connected thru a KVM switch
and shares monitors so it really did not move them far.
I updated a capture card wintv 1600. Plextor usb does not work with 64 bit,
really my only loss.

I have taken this computer as far as I can, it is time to use it, Thanks
to the group and thanks for the help.
"Juergen Kluth" <jkluth-> wrote in message
news:O%...
> Hi,
> you can use the performance protocol feature.
> mmc->peformance->
> jk
>