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Hi All,

A new version of the TimingAnalyzer, beta 0.87, is now available.
The following improvements and changes are new since the last version.


1) Changed the user interface to be more windows like. Click to
select objects. Hold Ctrl key down and click to select multiple
objects. Click in empty area to deselect all the select objects.

2) Drag the mouse anytime draws a select rectangle to select objects.
Previously, you needed to hold down the alt and drag

3) Fixed saving images to selected directory in file chooser dialog.

4) Changed all DTT object references to PulseWidthLabel objects.

5) Fixed all commands that move edges do not move DigitalClocks edges
now.

6) Changed Ctrl Up key combination to Alt Up when moving delay,
constraint, and PulseWidthLabels up in the diagram. Ctrl Up is used by
the JTabbedPane so users can hit Ctrl up and left and right to select
a diagram in other tab panes.

7) Save as dialog does not display when just saving (Ctrl-S). When
exiting the application, the save as dialog displays for each file
that has been modified by not saved.

Fixed file needs to be saved when selecting or deselecting objects.

9) Standard Edition Features enabled until 9/13/08 for trail and
testing. All beta versions will have the SE features enabled until the
final release.

10) Working SE Features currently include savings images in other
formats such as eps, pdf, svg, png, and gif, and also the scripting
interface.


You can download and use it at:

www.timing-diagrams.com

On Jul 19, 2:11 pm, timinganalyzer <timinganaly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> A new version of the TimingAnalyzer, beta 0.87, is now available.
> The following improvements and changes are new since the last version.
....snip...

Could I suggest that you add a forum to your web site and announce
your product releases there? That is what most projects like yours
do. Announcing it in multiple newsgroups is really no different from
other spam.

How about you give it a rest? Besides, I think you are over
estimating the demand for your product. I have only seen a small
indication of any interest in this product. If it is any good and
there is a need, customers will find you by word of mouth.

Rick

On Jul 19, 3:11 pm, rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 19, 2:11 pm, timinganalyzer <timinganaly...@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi All,
>
> > A new version of the TimingAnalyzer, beta 0.87, is now available.
> > The following improvements and changes are new since the last version.
>
> ...snip...
>
> Could I suggest that you add a forum to your web site and announce
> your product releases there? That is what most projects like yours
> do. Announcing it in multiple newsgroups is really no different from
> other spam.
>
> How about you give it a rest? Besides, I think you are over
> estimating the demand for your product. I have only seen a small
> indication of any interest in this product. If it is any good and
> there is a need, customers will find you by word of mouth.
>
> Rick

Hello Rick,

I didn't think it would considered spam if it's related to the subject
of
the newsgroup but I guess you have a good point. I won't announce
updates
to the program on the newsgroups anymore.

You might be right about the interest level as well. Time will
tell.
There seems to more interest with ASIC and VLSI design engineers
needing ways
to document complex interface timing diagrams and generating test
vectors.
That was why I decided to develop the program in the first place.

-Dan











-Dan

timinganalyzer wrote:
> rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> timinganalyzer <timinganaly...@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi All,
>>
>>> A new version of the TimingAnalyzer, beta 0.87, is now
>>> available. The following improvements and changes are new since
>>< the last version.
>>
>> ...snip...
>>
>> Could I suggest that you add a forum to your web site and
>> announce your product releases there? That is what most projects
>> like yours do. Announcing it in multiple newsgroups is really no
>> different from other spam.
>
.... snip ...
>
> I didn't think it would considered spam if it's related to the
> subject of the newsgroup but I guess you have a good point. I
> won't announce updates to the program on the newsgroups anymore.
>
> You might be right about the interest level as well. Time will
> tell. There seems to more interest with ASIC and VLSI design
> engineers needing ways to document complex interface timing
> diagrams and generating test vectors. That was why I decided to
> develop the program in the first place.

I don't consider it spam. It is available, free, and pertinent.
Without this sort of announcement interested users will never know
it exists.

--
[mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

On Jul 19, 7:37 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> CBFalconer wrote:
> > timinganalyzer wrote:
> >> rickman <gnu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> timinganalyzer <timinganaly...@gmail.com> wrote:> Hi All,
>
> >>>> A new version of the TimingAnalyzer, beta 0.87, is now
> >>>> available. The following improvements and changes are new since
> >>> < the last version.
>
> >>> ...snip...
>
> >>> Could I suggest that you add a forum to your web site and
> >>> announce your product releases there? That is what most projects
> >>> like yours do. Announcing it in multiple newsgroups is really no
> >>> different from other spam.
> > ... snip ...
> >> I didn't think it would considered spam if it's related to the
> >> subject of the newsgroup but I guess you have a good point. I
> >> won't announce updates to the program on the newsgroups anymore.
>
> >> You might be right about the interest level as well. Time will
> >> tell. There seems to more interest with ASIC and VLSI design
> >> engineers needing ways to document complex interface timing
> >> diagrams and generating test vectors. That was why I decided to
> >> develop the program in the first place.
>
> > I don't consider it spam. It is available, free, and pertinent.
> > Without this sort of announcement interested users will never know
> > it exists.
>
> I don't consider it spam either. Instead of a complete accounting of new
> features, Rickman might be happier with a brief announcement that alerts
> the reader to new material on the website. Personally, I don't care.

Are you and CBF OK with *any* vendor of hardware, software, tools,
components, boards or materials related to embedded, FPGA, DSP or VHDL/
Verilog posting here to advertise their products? The fact that this
software offers a free version with limited features does not make it
unique. There are any number of software vendors that do the same
thing. Many component manufacturers offer free samples. Even makers
of tools, boards, systems and test equipment will let you use their
products for evaluation.

Is there something special about this vendor and his product?

Personally I feel that his posts are not on topic. Selling and
marketing is not the topic of any of these groups.


Rick

rickman wrote:
> Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>
.... snip ...
>>
>>> I don't consider it spam. It is available, free, and pertinent.
>>> Without this sort of announcement interested users will never
>>> know it exists.
>>
>> I don't consider it spam either. Instead of a complete accounting
>> of new features, Rickman might be happier with a brief
>> announcement that alerts the reader to new material on the
>> website. Personally, I don't care.
>
> Are you and CBF OK with *any* vendor of hardware, software, tools,
> components, boards or materials related to embedded, FPGA, DSP or
> VHDL/ Verilog posting here to advertise their products? The fact
> that this software offers a free version with limited features
> does not make it unique. There are any number of software vendors
> that do the same thing. Many component manufacturers offer free
> samples. Even makers of tools, boards, systems and test equipment
> will let you use their products for evaluation.
>
> Is there something special about this vendor and his product?
>
> Personally I feel that his posts are not on topic. Selling and
> marketing is not the topic of any of these groups.

As far as I can tell the source is available, and there is no
long-term commercial interest. This puts it in the same
classification as Linux. He is not selling - he is offering.

--
[mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.

CBFalconer <> writes:

> rickman wrote:
>> Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>> CBFalconer wrote:
>>>
> ... snip ...
>>>
>>>> I don't consider it spam. It is available, free, and pertinent.
>>>> Without this sort of announcement interested users will never
>>>> know it exists.
>>>
>>> I don't consider it spam either. Instead of a complete accounting
>>> of new features, Rickman might be happier with a brief
>>> announcement that alerts the reader to new material on the
>>> website. Personally, I don't care.
>>
>> Are you and CBF OK with *any* vendor of hardware, software, tools,
>> components, boards or materials related to embedded, FPGA, DSP or
>> VHDL/ Verilog posting here to advertise their products? The fact
>> that this software offers a free version with limited features
>> does not make it unique. There are any number of software vendors
>> that do the same thing. Many component manufacturers offer free
>> samples. Even makers of tools, boards, systems and test equipment
>> will let you use their products for evaluation.
>>
>> Is there something special about this vendor and his product?
>>
>> Personally I feel that his posts are not on topic. Selling and
>> marketing is not the topic of any of these groups.
>
> As far as I can tell the source is available,

But you are not allowed to look at it

<http://www.timing-diagrams.com/license.html>

"You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the
TimingAnalyzer program."

> and there is no long-term commercial interest. This puts it in the
> same classification as Linux. He is not selling - he is offering.

...."You must buy a license to use TimingAnalyzer Standard
Edition(SE)"...

It appears to be a commercial program, free for personal,
non-commercial use only. So I agree with rickman.

--

John Devereux

On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 00:03:58 -0400, Jerry Avins <> wrote:

>rickman wrote:

>> Are you and CBF OK with *any* vendor of hardware, software, tools,
>> components, boards or materials related to embedded, FPGA, DSP or VHDL/
>> Verilog posting here to advertise their products?

A salient difference is that the posts were not simply (or even mostly)
advertising but rather were part of a conversation about the features,
operation, and behaviors of a useful tool that was under development.

Boy, it sure would suck if the product development engineers from Xilinx
or Atmel or whatever would hang around here and do that, eh?

>> The fact that this
>> software offers a free version with limited features does not make it
>> unique. There are any number of software vendors that do the same
>> thing. Many component manufacturers offer free samples. Even makers
>> of tools, boards, systems and test equipment will let you use their
>> products for evaluation.
>>
>> Is there something special about this vendor and his product?

Other than soliciting and responding to community feedback?

>> Personally I feel that his posts are not on topic. Selling and
>> marketing is not the topic of any of these groups.

Personally, I feel that the joker who keeps littering the groups with
"Spam" posts is more of a menace.

>There is something special about this vendor, if not his product. He has
>made something on his own that he hopes is useful, and has no budget to
>make it known. He came to us initially for advice, which he heeded
>despite the criticism that was unfortunately necessary. If nothing else,
>I'm happy to give him a bye.

Indeed.

--
Rich Webb Norfolk, VA

On Jul 20, 1:06 am, CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> As far as I can tell the source is available, and there is no
> long-term commercial interest. This puts it in the same
> classification as Linux. He is not selling - he is offering.

Did you actually look at his web page? There is nothing "open" about
this program and the only "free" is the limited capability version
licensed only for "personal or academic use", not commercial.

http://www.timing-diagrams.com/license.html

In particular,

"You must buy a license to use TimingAnalyzer Standard Edition(SE)"

and

"You may not modify, reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the
TimingAnalyzer program."


I'm not trying to bust anyone's balls. But this guy has been
cluttering up a number of newsgroups, Yahoo groups and who knows where
else with his frequent postings. I don't object to his making it
known that there is a new product on the market. I get tired of
seeing his, sometimes bi-weekly, announcements that a new version is
out there. If anyone is looking for a timing analyzer then he will
already be easy to find. If anyone wants to know the current status
of his program he has a web site.

I just think that a lot of people, here and elsewhere, don't so much
"think" about a topic like this, they justify what they "feel". How
would people "feel" if every vendor came here to advertise, announce
new products, new features or even just to solicit comments and
advice? I remember awhile back there were some job postings and it
was rather contentious whether that was considered acceptable. For
the most part people had no logical justification for wanting to allow
that sort of post. They just tried to rationalize their feelings, "if
you were out of work, you would welcome those posts" sort of
thing.

Well my feelings are that I get tired of seeing advertising in this
group and elsewhere. I moderate multiple Yahoo groups and have made a
real effort to exclude the spam. Don't you think these groups would
be better served with less spam?

Rick

rickman wrote:
> CBFalconer <cbfalco...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> As far as I can tell the source is available, and there is no
>> long-term commercial interest. This puts it in the same
>> classification as Linux. He is not selling - he is offering.
>
> Did you actually look at his web page? There is nothing "open"
> about this program and the only "free" is the limited capability
> version licensed only for "personal or academic use", not
> commercial.

No, I admit I didn't. I have limited interest in such a utility.

--
[mail]: Chuck F (cbfalconer at maineline dot net)
[page]: <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net>
Try the download section.