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Hello Everyone

I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec SAS 4800 HA installed
but due to fact that
fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is still under warranty.
Adaptec in Australia don't
want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan, heres the problem
because my motherboard
board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in the machine at a
time How do I install the drivers.

You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the drivers for new card
while the old card is still installed.
I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried to fit 48300 in the
pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.

Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I can't see it.

Thanks in advance.

The 4800 _might_ fit in a PCI slot - it depends on the card - some do, some
don't. (My adaptec SAS card won't either, but it's worth a try to check.)

First, before you do anything - make a FULL BACKUP. I personally prefer
something like Acronis TrueImage, but even good old NTBackup will do the
job. But get your important data onto some non-SAS controlled drive so you
have a fallback.

Then, make sure you have the drivers for the new card available on floppy,
and that you have a floppy drive available. If the machine doesn't natively
have one, borrow one for a bit and plug it in, or get a USB floppy drive.

Power down, remove the old SAS card, and insert the new one, and boot off
your XP x64 CD.
Press F6 when you see the prompt at the bottom of the screen. This will let
you load the drivers. Now follow the instructions for a Repair Install. The
best instructions for a Repair Install are on Michael Steven's site at:
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.

--
Charlie.

"spock" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Hello Everyone
>
> I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec SAS
> 4800 HA installed but due to fact that
> fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is still
> under warranty. Adaptec in Australia don't
> want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan, heres
> the problem because my motherboard
> board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in the
> machine at a time How do I install the drivers.
>
> You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the drivers
> for new card while the old card is still installed.
> I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried to
> fit 48300 in the pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.
>
> Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I can't
> see it.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>

Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to intialize
the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device present I
did not know you could do that until went a looking.
BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the bios updates for
my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that floppies are the
most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure rate over time.
Thanks again


"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> The 4800 _might_ fit in a PCI slot - it depends on the card - some do, some don't. (My
> adaptec SAS card won't either, but it's worth a try to check.)
>
> First, before you do anything - make a FULL BACKUP. I personally prefer something like
> Acronis TrueImage, but even good old NTBackup will do the job. But get your important
> data onto some non-SAS controlled drive so you have a fallback.
>
> Then, make sure you have the drivers for the new card available on floppy, and that you
> have a floppy drive available. If the machine doesn't natively have one, borrow one for
> a bit and plug it in, or get a USB floppy drive.
>
> Power down, remove the old SAS card, and insert the new one, and boot off your XP x64
> CD.
> Press F6 when you see the prompt at the bottom of the screen. This will let you load the
> drivers. Now follow the instructions for a Repair Install. The best instructions for a
> Repair Install are on Michael Steven's site at:
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.
>
> --
> Charlie.
>
> "spock" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Hello Everyone
>>
>> I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec SAS 4800 HA
>> installed but due to fact that
>> fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is still under warranty.
>> Adaptec in Australia don't
>> want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan, heres the problem
>> because my motherboard
>> board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in the machine at a
>> time How do I install the drivers.
>>
>> You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the drivers for new card
>> while the old card is still installed.
>> I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried to fit 48300 in
>> the pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.
>>
>> Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I can't see it.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>

"spock" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
> that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to intialize
> the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
> Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device present
> I
> did not know you could do that until went a looking.
> BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the bios
> updates for
> my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that
> floppies are the
> most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure
> rate over time.
> Thanks again
>
>

I have had enough situations where keeping the old legacy stuff around has
paid off. BIOS updates are not the only uses for floppies. I treat PS/2
ports the same way.

Some things, at least until the Vista and later OS versions, require floppy.
I keep one around "just in case". None of us like it, but sometimes it's
necessary. I have an old, standard, 3.5" floppy drive removed from a long
dead desktop, complete with cable and that little power adapter cable, and I
have an inexpensive USB floppy left over from one laptop or another I had
years ago. Both are sitting in zip lock bags on a back shelf.

With XP x64 not having SATA or SAS drivers for the majority of the
motherboards out there, it was real handy to have them. Especially since I
haven't built or ordered boxes with floppy for a long time.

--
Charlie.
"spock" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
> that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to intialize
> the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
> Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device present
> I
> did not know you could do that until went a looking.
> BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the bios
> updates for
> my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that
> floppies are the
> most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure
> rate over time.
> Thanks again
>
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> The 4800 _might_ fit in a PCI slot - it depends on the card - some do,
>> some don't. (My adaptec SAS card won't either, but it's worth a try to
>> check.)
>>
>> First, before you do anything - make a FULL BACKUP. I personally prefer
>> something like Acronis TrueImage, but even good old NTBackup will do the
>> job. But get your important data onto some non-SAS controlled drive so
>> you have a fallback.
>>
>> Then, make sure you have the drivers for the new card available on
>> floppy, and that you have a floppy drive available. If the machine
>> doesn't natively have one, borrow one for a bit and plug it in, or get a
>> USB floppy drive.
>>
>> Power down, remove the old SAS card, and insert the new one, and boot off
>> your XP x64 CD.
>> Press F6 when you see the prompt at the bottom of the screen. This will
>> let you load the drivers. Now follow the instructions for a Repair
>> Install. The best instructions for a Repair Install are on Michael
>> Steven's site at: http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>>
>> "spock" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Hello Everyone
>>>
>>> I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec SAS
>>> 4800 HA installed but due to fact that
>>> fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is still
>>> under warranty. Adaptec in Australia don't
>>> want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan,
>>> heres the problem because my motherboard
>>> board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in
>>> the machine at a time How do I install the drivers.
>>>
>>> You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the
>>> drivers for new card while the old card is still installed.
>>> I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried
>>> to fit 48300 in the pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.
>>>
>>> Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I can't
>>> see it.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>
>
>

yup. handy to keep around. And cheap.

--
Charlie.
"Colin Barnhorst" <> wrote in message
news:8CE1F2E7-ACB6-46FC-85E0-...
> "spock" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
>> that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to
>> intialize
>> the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
>> Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device
>> present I
>> did not know you could do that until went a looking.
>> BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the
>> bios updates for
>> my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that
>> floppies are the
>> most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure
>> rate over time.
>> Thanks again
>>
>>
>
> I have had enough situations where keeping the old legacy stuff around has
> paid off. BIOS updates are not the only uses for floppies. I treat PS/2
> ports the same way.

Hi, Charlie.

My small tower case has a couple of extra 5 1/4" slots so I've installed my
floppy drive there. It's a "combination" drive with both 3 1/2" and 5 1/4"
slots in a single half-height internal unit. While I haven't inserted a 5
1/4" diskette in a decade or so, it's comforting to know that I can if I
want to - or need to.

When my computer's RAM caused a melt-down a couple of weeks ago, I needed
the 3 1/2" floppy to re-install SATA and RAID drivers as I reinstalled WinXP
SP3. Vista had the drivers built-in, but WinXP still doesn't. And WinXP
won't accept boot device drivers from USB or CD, either, in my experience.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX

Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:#...
> Some things, at least until the Vista and later OS versions, require
> floppy. I keep one around "just in case". None of us like it, but
> sometimes it's necessary. I have an old, standard, 3.5" floppy drive
> removed from a long dead desktop, complete with cable and that little
> power adapter cable, and I have an inexpensive USB floppy left over from
> one laptop or another I had years ago. Both are sitting in zip lock bags
> on a back shelf.
>
> With XP x64 not having SATA or SAS drivers for the majority of the
> motherboards out there, it was real handy to have them. Especially since I
> haven't built or ordered boxes with floppy for a long time.
>
> --
> Charlie.
> "spock" <> wrote in message
> news:%...
>> Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
>> that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to
>> intialize
>> the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
>> Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device
>> present I
>> did not know you could do that until went a looking.
>> BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the
>> bios updates for
>> my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that
>> floppies are the
>> most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure
>> rate over time.
>> Thanks again
>>
>>
>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
>> news:...
>>> The 4800 _might_ fit in a PCI slot - it depends on the card - some do,
>>> some don't. (My adaptec SAS card won't either, but it's worth a try to
>>> check.)
>>>
>>> First, before you do anything - make a FULL BACKUP. I personally prefer
>>> something like Acronis TrueImage, but even good old NTBackup will do the
>>> job. But get your important data onto some non-SAS controlled drive so
>>> you have a fallback.
>>>
>>> Then, make sure you have the drivers for the new card available on
>>> floppy, and that you have a floppy drive available. If the machine
>>> doesn't natively have one, borrow one for a bit and plug it in, or get a
>>> USB floppy drive.
>>>
>>> Power down, remove the old SAS card, and insert the new one, and boot
>>> off your XP x64 CD.
>>> Press F6 when you see the prompt at the bottom of the screen. This will
>>> let you load the drivers. Now follow the instructions for a Repair
>>> Install. The best instructions for a Repair Install are on Michael
>>> Steven's site at: http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Charlie.
>>>
>>> "spock" <> wrote in message
>>> news:%...
>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>
>>>> I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec SAS
>>>> 4800 HA installed but due to fact that
>>>> fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is still
>>>> under warranty. Adaptec in Australia don't
>>>> want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan,
>>>> heres the problem because my motherboard
>>>> board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in
>>>> the machine at a time How do I install the drivers.
>>>>
>>>> You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the
>>>> drivers for new card while the old card is still installed.
>>>> I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried
>>>> to fit 48300 in the pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.
>>>>
>>>> Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I can't
>>>> see it.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.

Exactly correct, and why I keep the spares around. I don't bother keeping
any of them inserted into any of my machines, but if I ever need to rebuild,
they're there. The F6 floppy for each machine is taped to the inside of the
cover.

--
Charlie.
"R. C. White" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Hi, Charlie.
>
> My small tower case has a couple of extra 5 1/4" slots so I've installed
> my floppy drive there. It's a "combination" drive with both 3 1/2" and 5
> 1/4" slots in a single half-height internal unit. While I haven't
> inserted a 5 1/4" diskette in a decade or so, it's comforting to know that
> I can if I want to - or need to.
>
> When my computer's RAM caused a melt-down a couple of weeks ago, I needed
> the 3 1/2" floppy to re-install SATA and RAID drivers as I reinstalled
> WinXP SP3. Vista had the drivers built-in, but WinXP still doesn't. And
> WinXP won't accept boot device drivers from USB or CD, either, in my
> experience.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
>
> Microsoft Windows MVP
> (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1)
>
> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
> news:#...
>> Some things, at least until the Vista and later OS versions, require
>> floppy. I keep one around "just in case". None of us like it, but
>> sometimes it's necessary. I have an old, standard, 3.5" floppy drive
>> removed from a long dead desktop, complete with cable and that little
>> power adapter cable, and I have an inexpensive USB floppy left over from
>> one laptop or another I had years ago. Both are sitting in zip lock bags
>> on a back shelf.
>>
>> With XP x64 not having SATA or SAS drivers for the majority of the
>> motherboards out there, it was real handy to have them. Especially since
>> I haven't built or ordered boxes with floppy for a long time.
>>
>> --
>> Charlie.
>> "spock" <> wrote in message
>> news:%...
>>> Thanks I spent nearly 3 hours doing backups with the backup programm
>>> that comes with XP X64 and then with acronis as well then had to
>>> intialize
>>> the drive in the HA which did not affect the files etc.
>>> Then I forced "add hardware" to install drivers without the device
>>> present I
>>> did not know you could do that until went a looking.
>>> BTW I don't have access to a usb floopy. I find it is useless as the
>>> bios updates for
>>> my motherboard are 2mb and will not filt on a floppy. I also find that
>>> floppies are the
>>> most unreliable devices ever used on computers with at least 50% failure
>>> rate over time.
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>>
>>> "Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in
>>> message news:...
>>>> The 4800 _might_ fit in a PCI slot - it depends on the card - some do,
>>>> some don't. (My adaptec SAS card won't either, but it's worth a try to
>>>> check.)
>>>>
>>>> First, before you do anything - make a FULL BACKUP. I personally prefer
>>>> something like Acronis TrueImage, but even good old NTBackup will do
>>>> the job. But get your important data onto some non-SAS controlled drive
>>>> so you have a fallback.
>>>>
>>>> Then, make sure you have the drivers for the new card available on
>>>> floppy, and that you have a floppy drive available. If the machine
>>>> doesn't natively have one, borrow one for a bit and plug it in, or get
>>>> a USB floppy drive.
>>>>
>>>> Power down, remove the old SAS card, and insert the new one, and boot
>>>> off your XP x64 CD.
>>>> Press F6 when you see the prompt at the bottom of the screen. This will
>>>> let you load the drivers. Now follow the instructions for a Repair
>>>> Install. The best instructions for a Repair Install are on Michael
>>>> Steven's site at:
>>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Charlie.
>>>>
>>>> "spock" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:%...
>>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a problem I have a machine with XP X64 installed and Adaptec
>>>>> SAS 4800 HA installed but due to fact that
>>>>> fan has got noisy and I mean VERY noisy and even thou the card is
>>>>> still under warranty. Adaptec in Australia don't
>>>>> want to help me. OK I got me a SAS 48300 which does not have a fan,
>>>>> heres the problem because my motherboard
>>>>> board only have one pci-x slot which means I can only have one card in
>>>>> the machine at a time How do I install the drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> You see the drivers are different, I don't know how to install the
>>>>> drivers for new card while the old card is still installed.
>>>>> I have never done this sort of thing before, and before say it I tried
>>>>> to fit 48300 in the pci slot and guess what I can't get it to fit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please help the answer is possibily starring me in the face but I
>>>>> can't see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>

Gee - keeping'em there, isn't that a 'High Security Erasure Zone'?

Personally, with the difficulty of preserving floppies over several years
(or decades) in mind, I've come to put myself under a strict regime (the
only kind of strictness I could ever muster) of formating those floppies and
storing them along-side all the old system CD's, in one safe place, and
re-creating them when they are needed.


Tony. . .

"Charlie Russel - MVP" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Exactly correct, and why I keep the spares around. I don't bother keeping
> any of them inserted into any of my machines, but if I ever need to
> rebuild, they're there. The F6 floppy for each machine is taped to the
> inside of the cover.
>
> --
> Charlie.


Charlie, you remind me of a time my wife cleaned up my computer area years
ago. It was back in the days of the PC clones and everything was on 5.25
floppies. I came home from work and found that my wife had neatly organized
the stack of discs on my computer table by carefully pinning each disc to
the side of the metal file cabinet with refrigerator magnets. Row upon row
where I could easily see each one.