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Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?

Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
full-frame digital camera.

~nimphrey
"Our problems may not amount to a hill of beans. But this is our hill. And
these are our beans."

In article <2vj8k.24578$kx.36@pd7urf3no>, NimPhrey
<> wrote:

> Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?
>
> Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
> full-frame digital camera.

they're limited to slrs for aps sized sensors too (the dp1 being the
lone exception). even olympus with a 2x crop factor has yet to put the
sensor in a compact camera.

give it time, once the dslr market slows down a little, camera makers
will put larger sensors in compact cameras.

NimPhrey wrote:
> Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?
>
> Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
> full-frame digital camera.
>

It has to do with the limited optical zoom factor. To keep them compact
they need small sensors. Put a large sensor in and you need a larger lens -
it will no longer fit in your pocket even with only a three or four optical
zoom.


> ~nimphrey
> "Our problems may not amount to a hill of beans. But this is our hill. And
> these are our beans."
>
>


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NimPhrey wrote:
> Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
> full-frame digital camera.
>
> Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?


The larger sensors sensors are a substantial part of the cost so it
really wouldn't be much cheaper.

Adding a mirror gives a better viewfinder and autofocus.

Entry level DSLRs are already pretty small & cheap.


Maybe now that we have live view DSLR sensors it'll be easy to roll out
such a model. It might be interesting for Dx but Fx is still going to
cost $2500 or so I'd guess, maybe more. There will be live view on
smaller cheaper DSLRs in time too.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

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nospam wrote:
> In article <2vj8k.24578$kx.36@pd7urf3no>, NimPhrey
> <> wrote:
>
>> Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?
>>
>> Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
>> full-frame digital camera.
>
> they're limited to slrs for aps sized sensors too (the dp1 being the
> lone exception). even olympus with a 2x crop factor has yet to put
> the sensor in a compact camera.
>
> give it time, once the dslr market slows down a little, camera makers
> will put larger sensors in compact cameras.

The Sony DSC-R1 also had an APS-sized sensor, and doesn't Leica make some
non-SLR large sensor cameras?

David

In article <fFk8k.15354$> , David J
Taylor <david->
wrote:

> The Sony DSC-R1 also had an APS-sized sensor,

true, but it's discontinued and it wasn't really all that compact.

> and doesn't Leica make some
> non-SLR large sensor cameras?

the m8 is 1.3x, the camera is compact, but it's price tag is not.

nospam wrote:
> In article <fFk8k.15354$> , David J
> Taylor <david->
> wrote:
>
>> The Sony DSC-R1 also had an APS-sized sensor,
>
> true, but it's discontinued and it wasn't really all that compact.
>
>> and doesn't Leica make some
>> non-SLR large sensor cameras?
>
> the m8 is 1.3x, the camera is compact, but it's price tag is not.

Agreed on both. I was horrified with the size of the Sony, and it ruled
out a purchase. I later got a Nikon DSLR and have been very pleased with
it. The only Leica items I have are the lenses on some Panasonic compact
cameras....

Cheers,
David

Paul Furman wrote:
> NimPhrey wrote:
>> Why must consumers be limited to SLRs when they want to purchase a
>> full-frame digital camera.
>>
>> Perhaps there is a technical or economic reason. Any takers?
>
> -The larger sensors [x] are a substantial part of the cost so it
> really wouldn't be much cheaper.
> -Adding a mirror gives a better viewfinder and autofocus.
> -Entry level DSLRs are already pretty small & cheap.
>
> Maybe now that we have live view DSLR sensors it'll be easy to roll out
> such a model. It might be interesting for Dx but Fx is still going to
> cost $2500 or so I'd guess, maybe more. There will be live view on
> smaller cheaper DSLRs in time too.

People would expect an EVF so it would end up looking & feeling like a
small DSLR. The couple that exist are rangefinders one of which needs an
accessory for that (awkward) and that one only has a single focal length
fixed lens.

The Leica uses short flange distance rangefinder lenses which don't
perform well on digital, especially wide angle, and wide angle is
cropped away. You could make one to accept any SLR lens pretty easy
though, maybe we'll see such a thing.

--
Paul Furman
www.edgehill.net
www.baynatives.com

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nospam <> wrote:
> In article <fFk8k.15354$> , David J
> Taylor <david->
> wrote:

>> The Sony DSC-R1 also had an APS-sized sensor,

> true, but it's discontinued and it wasn't really all that compact.

>> and doesn't Leica make some
>> non-SLR large sensor cameras?

> the m8 is 1.3x, the camera is compact, but it's price tag is not.

How long are you prepared to wait for this small inexpensive very high
quality camera?

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In article <>, Alfred
Molon <> wrote:

> I hope some manufacturer will launch a camera with interchangeable
> lenses and a large sensor.

kodak did it about 15 years ago, nikon/canon about 10 years ago, and
others followed.

> This camera should have a high resolution EVF
> and a big, swivelable high res LCD.

except that an evf is slower than an optical viewfinder, among other
problems.

> Possibly also fast phase detect AF.

it's already there in current slrs.