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In article <Xns9ABE1747DD61neredbojiasnano@85.214.90.236>,
Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.net/_eml/fliam.php> wrote:

> On 14 Jun 2008, dorayme <> wrote:
>
> >> > > Your CSS rule removes all the margins on all
> >> > > elements, even those which have no relation with the noticed gap.
> >> >
> >> > That does not mean it is useless as a quick check on something, to
> >> > give a clue on how to investigate further.
> >>
> >> Then use a targeted, specific check on the margin-top of the targeted
> >> element. You do not need to over-use, abuse, over-kill.
> >
> > "Overuse, abuse, overkill" for zeroing margins and/or padding with a
> > universal selector for a quick check? These strong words sound more
> > appropriate when the target is something more substantial than a
> > temporary diagnostic tool of elimination.
> >
> > In many cases one does not quite know what element to target. It is
> > hardly abusing anything if it is used to eliminate something from the
> > enquiring diagnostic mind.
> >
> > I understand your view about the dangers of zeroing margins and
> > paddings by use of the universal selector. But this is not at all
> > relevant. No amount of describing the evils of such universal zeroing
> > intended for permanency will be obviously relevant to its use as a
> > temporary measure of diagnosis.
> >
....
>
> If one has no idea what the problem is, a
> universal change will hardly really help,

If a 2 sec zeroing of the margins makes the unwanted phenomena
disappear, you know it might well be a margin problem and you can look
more locally then. So your contribution makes no reasoned sense to me.

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dorayme

In article <Xns9ABE26D046BA9neredbojiasnano@85.214.90.236>,
Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.net/_eml/fliam.php> wrote:

> On 15 Jun 2008, dorayme <> wrote:
>
> >> > I understand your view about the dangers of zeroing margins and
> >> > paddings by use of the universal selector. But this is not at all
> >> > relevant. No amount of describing the evils of such universal zeroing
> >> > intended for permanency will be obviously relevant to its use as a
> >> > temporary measure of diagnosis.
> >> >
> > ...
> >>
> >> If one has no idea what the problem is, a
> >> universal change will hardly really help,
> >
> > If a 2 sec zeroing of the margins makes the unwanted phenomena
> > disappear, you know it might well be a margin problem and you can look
> > more locally then. So your contribution makes no reasoned sense to me.
>
> Not really. If one element has unwanted/inadvertant/mistaken padding and
> the adjacent element has a wanted default margin, you've just "identified"
> the wrong problem thru carelessness.

What has this got to do with using say * {margin: 0} for less than 2
seconds (in which time you do *not* try to identify anything positively
or "fix" anything or run into any dangers whatsoever. You just look to
see if some unwanted look is affected for the better. If you think it is
a waste of time, make sure you never do it, not even to waste 2 sec.
Others will use it and it will often be worth the 2 secs.

To see this point, you need to understand the spirit in which it is used
and not jump to too many conclusions.

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dorayme

In article <Xns9ABE98CB48F77neredbojiasnano@85.214.90.236>,
Neredbojias <me@http://www.neredbojias.net/_eml/fliam.php> wrote:

> On 15 Jun 2008, dorayme <> wrote:
>
> >> > If a 2 sec zeroing of the margins makes the unwanted phenomena
> >> > disappear, you know it might well be a margin problem and you can
> >> > look more locally then. So your contribution makes no reasoned
> >> > sense to me.
> >>
> >> Not really. If one element has unwanted/inadvertant/mistaken padding
> >> and the adjacent element has a wanted default margin, you've just
> >> "identified" the wrong problem thru carelessness.
> >
> > What has this got to do with using say * {margin: 0} for less than 2
> > seconds (in which time you do *not* try to identify anything
> > positively or "fix" anything or run into any dangers whatsoever. You
> > just look to see if some unwanted look is affected for the better.
>
> Well, I never have used it, and even though it's only 2 seconds, 2 seconds
> wasted here and 2 seconds wasted there...

You are right not to use a technique that you do not understand in the
slightest way.

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dorayme