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On Sat, 07 Jun 2008 02:37:37 GMT, 01dyna <> wrote:

>On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 18:20:19 -0700, Gary Edstrom
><> you wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 17:06:11 -0700, "BobW"
>><> wrote:
>>
>>>Wow. You were active in networking during the Arpanet days? In 1973, I was
>>>still trying to see how far I could pee.
>>
>>Let's see...In 1973 I was working in the secure communications center at
>>Naval Air Station, Alameda, California. Worked on repairing
>>cryptographic equipment and troubleshooting Navy's communications
>>network on base whenever it went down. Those were the good old days!
>>ASR33 teletypes pounding out hard copy at 60 words per minute. Keeping
>>busy day and night. Good old punched paper tape with the 5-bit Baudot
>>code for offline storage
>>
>>In 1974 I was worked in the communications center on Midway Island:
>>http://gbe.dynip.com/Midway/Gary_Eds.../Q0001107A.jpg
>>(The above picture was taken during a return visit in 2001. The
>>building had long-since been abandoned.)
>>
>>Gary
>
>
>Hey! I was a CT(T) back then. Ah the good ole days... the elephant
>cage, teletype and sonagrams...

Out on Midway Island, they saved all communications for 1 year from the
date of transmission or reception. They were stored as both a hard
copy, and a punched paper tape copy. That amounted to quite a bit of
paper stacking up each day.

One of the daily tasks was to take the year old papers to a small
incinerator we had just behind the comm center. There with a witness,
the papers were burned and a statement signed certifying that they had
been destroyed.

With those 60wpm teletypes, long messages could take quite a while to
print out. Some of the flight plans for outbound pilots would take up
to 45 minutes to print. We had 2 such teletypes, and during daytime
hours, both were busy almost all of the time.

Gary

<> wrote:
>BobW wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmm...I have a theory -- they have a bug in their software such that if
>> someone orders the combination of a CD, two books, and a screwdriver then it
>> takes down their website.
>>
>> Let me know what I've won.
>>
>
>
>A dinner with Alexander Abian.
>
>In 1973 I had, for two days, the secret formula for crashing the ENTIRE
>INTERNET (Arpanet). It happened twice before the coders figured out what the bug was
>in their code. Such were the early days.

And how many computers did that actually affect? 100?

--
Ray Fischer

Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Paul Allen wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:19:29 -0700, SMS wrote:
>>
>>> What Happened to Amazon?
>>>
>>> Their web site comes back with "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable"
>>>
>>> Are they still in business?
>> Wow. At 11:32am, Pacific Time, they're still offline. I wonder how many
>> billion dollars they lose for each minute they're down? Some poor Unix
>> admin's sweating right now.
>
> A CNET estimate that was slashdotted today was "more than $31,000 per
> minute on average", based on its last reported quarterly revenues.

So all those people that would have placed orders immediately gave up
and went to other vendor's web sites to place orders.

On Fri, 06 Jun 2008 23:45:15 -0700, Gary Edstrom
<> you wrote:

<snip>

>Out on Midway Island, they saved all communications for 1 year from the
>date of transmission or reception. They were stored as both a hard
>copy, and a punched paper tape copy. That amounted to quite a bit of
>paper stacking up each day.
>
>One of the daily tasks was to take the year old papers to a small
>incinerator we had just behind the comm center. There with a witness,
>the papers were burned and a statement signed certifying that they had
>been destroyed.
>
>With those 60wpm teletypes, long messages could take quite a while to
>print out. Some of the flight plans for outbound pilots would take up
>to 45 minutes to print. We had 2 such teletypes, and during daytime
>hours, both were busy almost all of the time.
>
>Gary

yep..we'd store them in burnbags and once a week we rotated duty
to take them to the shredder out back. First we'd shred a couple
hundred bags, and then the shreded material would be taken
off-site and burned.

That shredder would of been a very convienent way to get rid of
undesirables. That honker was *huge* and we used 2 ft long planks
of 2x4's to sharpen the blades.

In message <484a2f70$0$17164$>, Ray Fischer
<> writes
> <> wrote:
>>BobW wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmmm...I have a theory -- they have a bug in their software such that if
>>> someone orders the combination of a CD, two books, and a screwdriver
>>>then it
>>> takes down their website.
>>>
>>> Let me know what I've won.
>>>
>>
>>
>>A dinner with Alexander Abian.
>>
>>In 1973 I had, for two days, the secret formula for crashing the ENTIRE
>>INTERNET (Arpanet). It happened twice before the coders figured out
>>what the bug was
>>in their code. Such were the early days.
>
>And how many computers did that actually affect? 100?

Arpanet and the Internet are two different things. There ware may WAN
networks around the works. All the Internet did was connect them.

The good thing about the Internet, such as it was, in those days is that
there was an entrance exam.

You had to be at a Government/military establishment, a good university.
a research organisation etc this generally meant the majority were
University graduates and/or technically aware.

Not any idiot can get on.

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In message <>, Chris H
<> writes
>In message <484a2f70$0$17164$>, Ray Fischer
><> writes
>> <> wrote:
>>>BobW wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmm...I have a theory -- they have a bug in their software such that if
>>>> someone orders the combination of a CD, two books, and a
>>>>screwdriver then it
>>>> takes down their website.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know what I've won.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>A dinner with Alexander Abian.
>>>
>>>In 1973 I had, for two days, the secret formula for crashing the ENTIRE
>>>INTERNET (Arpanet). It happened twice before the coders figured out
>>>what the bug was
>>>in their code. Such were the early days.
>>
>>And how many computers did that actually affect? 100?
>

What I typed and what appeared are two different things

>Arpanet and the Internet are two different things. There ware may WAN
>networks around the works.
world
> All the Internet did was connect them.
>
>The good thing about the Internet, such as it was, in those days is
>that there was an entrance exam.
>
>You had to be at a Government/military establishment, a good
>university. a research organisation etc this generally meant the
>majority were University graduates and/or technically aware.
>
>Not
NOW
> any idiot can get on.
In

Including me it seems))))
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Shawn Hirn <> wrote:

>Yes, and sadly, some of those idiots are in universities. I know because
>I work in the IT department at at one of the largest universities in the
>USA. We have people fall for every phishing scheme that comes down the
>pike. Fortunately, the vast majority of my school's Internet users are
>smart enough to ignore such things.

It's been interesting to see the net evolve since the early days. Even when it
was pretty much a university/government thing, initially access was restricted
to CS400 and grad student types. Undergrads who could finagle a net connected
machine password and email friends at other schools were few and far between.
Those were the days when most 100 level CS classes required that you go to a
central keypunch area, then turn in a card deck and hope for a response 24 hours
later...