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seems to be needed

He doesn't seem to care much anyway now

Or if he cares, he have many other assignments

So should we try to elect a new chairman?

I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!

Do you dare?consper

S.

2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <>:
> seems to be needed
>
> He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>
> Or if he cares, he have many other assignments

Who are you talking about?

>
> So should we try to elect a new chairman?

Chairman? Elaborate please.

>
> I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>
> Do you dare?consper
>

Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?

> S.
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>



--
Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.

He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.

I was talking about Guido van Rossum

The one who decides, so far when people agree

But we can make a new fork

He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
the air

So we need some new leadership

From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.

Sverker


On May 27, 4:50 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>
> > seems to be needed
>
> > He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>
> > Or if he cares, he have many other assignments
>
> Who are you talking about?
>
>
>
> > So should we try to elect a new chairman?
>
> Chairman? Elaborate please.
>
>
>
> > I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>
> > Do you dare?consper
>
> Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?
>
> > S.
> > --
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> --
> Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>
> He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.

Sverker Nilsson wrote:

> I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>
> The one who decides, so far when people agree
>
> But we can make a new fork

Good luck with that. Weren't you the one concerned about changes in Py3K
that forced you to change your memory profiler? Now you want to introduce a
*third* codebase beside python2.x and python3.x? Interesting course of
action.

> He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
> the air

Why do you think so? Because you don't like Py3K?

> So we need some new leadership
>
> From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.

Well - be my guest to form your own cult.

Diez

I dont want to be a new Guido. Somebody else please.

S.


On May 27, 5:21 pm, Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se> wrote:
> I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>
> The one who decides, so far when people agree
>
> But we can make a new fork
>
> He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
> the air
>
> So we need some new leadership
>
> From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.
>
> Sverker
>
> On May 27, 4:50 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>
> > > seems to be needed
>
> > > He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>
> > > Or if he cares, he have many other assignments
>
> > Who are you talking about?
>
> > > So should we try to elect a new chairman?
>
> > Chairman? Elaborate please.
>
> > > I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>
> > > Do you dare?consper
>
> > Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?
>
> > > S.
> > > --
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> > --
> > Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>
> > He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.

Good luck to you to. Its just that it .. well it has never been easy
for me to introduce Python at work. This py3k, if I like it or not, is
not making it easier.

Praktical, pragmatic, you know --- as I said, its not broken so lets
brake it

I just try to get things to work. And with some style too. Their
connected. I think a 6 cylinder engine is one of the most stylist
things there are. And when I was at a museum in Stocholm, I saw Henry
Fords original enginge and was amazed, it looks just like the one in
dads car.

Its not about changing and yes I dislike py3k, till somebody can
convince me otherwise

Guido just seems to not care to post here anyways, so we can try to
make our own branch/business


S.

On May 27, 5:24 pm, "Diez B. Roggisch" <de...@nospam.web.de> wrote:
> Sverker Nilsson wrote:
> > I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>
> > The one who decides, so far when people agree
>
> > But we can make a new fork
>
> Good luck with that. Weren't you the one concerned about changes in Py3K
> that forced you to change your memory profiler? Now you want to introduce a
> *third* codebase beside python2.x and python3.x? Interesting course of
> action.
>
> > He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
> > the air
>
> Why do you think so? Because you don't like Py3K?
>
> > So we need some new leadership
>
> > From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.
>
> Well - be my guest to form your own cult.
>
> Diez

2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <>:
> I dont want to be a new Guido. Somebody else please.
>

Please, explain why should we fork Python? Because Python 3.0 will
have 'print' as a function, not as a statement, am I right? Or maybe
the reason is a major breakage of C API in Python 3.0, so that
Guppy-PE/Heapy will both need a complete re-write? There is a
rationale for these changes and you've been told about it several
times, but you don't care much to listen.
Well, anyway, nobody stops you from forking a project called
'Python'. Python is free software, as you know.

> S.
>
>
> On May 27, 5:21 pm, Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se> wrote:
>> I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>>
>> The one who decides, so far when people agree
>>
>> But we can make a new fork
>>
>> He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
>> the air
>>
>> So we need some new leadership
>>
>> From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.
>>
>> Sverker
>>
>> On May 27, 4:50 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>>
>> > > seems to be needed
>>
>> > > He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>>
>> > > Or if he cares, he have many other assignments
>>
>> > Who are you talking about?
>>
>> > > So should we try to elect a new chairman?
>>
>> > Chairman? Elaborate please.
>>
>> > > I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>>
>> > > Do you dare?consper
>>
>> > Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?
>>
>> > > S.
>> > > --
>> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>>
>> > --
>> > Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>>
>> > He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.
>
> --
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>



--
Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.

He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.

> Good luck to you to. Its just that it .. well it has never been easy
> for me to introduce Python at work. This py3k, if I like it or not, is
> not making it easier.

And creating a fork makes it easier?

> Praktical, pragmatic, you know --- as I said, its not broken so lets
> brake it

Again - creating a fork makes that better?

> I just try to get things to work. And with some style too. Their
> connected. I think a 6 cylinder engine is one of the most stylist
> things there are. And when I was at a museum in Stocholm, I saw Henry
> Fords original enginge and was amazed, it looks just like the one in
> dads car.

This is a castironpi-esque metaphor. Guess what, I have an ever older one:
the wheels used by roman circus race wagons essentially look the same as on
a formula one car. Round, with a hub in the middle.

Now how about you throw that computers of your out of the window because it
is technology not available in ancient rome, and as change is bad according
to your view- away with it!

> Its not about changing and yes I dislike py3k, till somebody can
> convince me otherwise
>
> Guido just seems to not care to post here anyways, so we can try to
> make our own branch/business

Again: how is that going to help?

You argue that a *fork* is what helps mitigating the problems *a fork called
Py3K* introduces (in your opinion). Now why do you think your company is
more likely to adopt the language "Sverker Nilsson his own fork of Python
that no one else cares about and that won't be supported" - short
SNHOFOPTNOECAATWBS?

If you don't like change - stick to python 2.5. Or whatever suits you.

For the umpteenth time: how is that going to help you with your "don't
change" issues?

Diez

On May 27, 8:21*am, Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se> wrote:
> I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>
> The one who decides, so far when people agree
>
> But we can make a new fork
>
> He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
> the air
>
> So we need some new leadership
>
> From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.
>
> Sverker
>
> On May 27, 4:50 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>
> > > seems to be needed
>
> > > He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>
> > > Or if he cares, he have many other assignments
>
> > Who are you talking about?
>
> > > So should we try to elect a new chairman?
>
> > Chairman? Elaborate please.
>
> > > I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>
> > > Do you dare?consper
>
> > Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?
>
> > > S.
> > > --
> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> > --
> > Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>
> > He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk..
>
>

Guido is the BDFL: Benevolent Dictator For Life. He was not elected.
If you want new leadership in Python it won't be done via a vote, it
will be via a coup. You will need to create your own community (and
probably fork of Python) that is superior to the existing version. So
much that people decide to migrate from one to the other.

Any conversation that leads to such a communal fork would probably
begin with discussing things that should be done differently in Python
and garnering support.

Personally, what I like _most_ about python is the community. Guido
played a large part in establishing this community. If you put
together a coherent argument regarding the future of Python people
will listen, including Guido.

Matt

I am probably bad too, I just don't think there is a good rationale.
That's the issue.

Now I 'have' to leave but keep up the conversation if you like.
Looking forward to see your comments.

S.


On May 27, 5:55 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>
> > I dont want to be a new Guido. Somebody else please.
>
> Please, explain why should we fork Python? Because Python 3.0 will
> have 'print' as a function, not as a statement, am I right? Or maybe
> the reason is a major breakage of C API in Python 3.0, so that
> Guppy-PE/Heapy will both need a complete re-write? There is a
> rationale for these changes and you've been told about it several
> times, but you don't care much to listen.
> Well, anyway, nobody stops you from forking a project called
> 'Python'. Python is free software, as you know.
>
>
>
> > S.
>
> > On May 27, 5:21 pm, Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se> wrote:
> >> I was talking about Guido van Rossum
>
> >> The one who decides, so far when people agree
>
> >> But we can make a new fork
>
> >> He is the originator, but now it seems, for me, it is hanging out in
> >> the air
>
> >> So we need some new leadership
>
> >> From somebody, somebody like you perhaps. Or me.
>
> >> Sverker
>
> >> On May 27, 4:50 pm, "Andrii V. Mishkovskyi" <misho...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > 2008/5/27 Sverker Nilsson <s...@sncs.se>:
>
> >> > > seems to be needed
>
> >> > > He doesn't seem to care much anyway now
>
> >> > > Or if he cares, he have many other assignments
>
> >> > Who are you talking about?
>
> >> > > So should we try to elect a new chairman?
>
> >> > Chairman? Elaborate please.
>
> >> > > I am probably not eligible. There must be many others.!
>
> >> > > Do you dare?consper
>
> >> > Hm, are you and castrionpi twin brothers or something?
>
> >> > > S.
> >> > > --
> >> > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> >> > --
> >> > Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>
> >> > He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.
>
> > --
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list
>
> --
> Wbr, Andrii Mishkovskyi.
>
> He's got a heart of a little child, and he keeps it in a jar on his desk.