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On 01/07/2008 in message
<82DB86F9-183D-4FC9-B4CE-> R. C. White wrote: >"Upgrade" has two meanings in this context. [snipped but saved] Now that post should be in a FAQ, it's the clearest explanation I've seen about moving from 32 bit to 64 bit, thank you RCW  -- Jeff Gaines Damerham Hampshire UK All those who believe in psychokinesis raise my hand. |
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Hi, Jim.
The 64-bit upgrade needs to see a qualifying product already installed. That product does NOT need to be a 64-bit version. We probably should have just sent you to this KB article in the first place, Jim: Installation choices for 64-bit consumer versions of Windows Vista http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795/en-us But there is a wrinkle in that KB that I was not aware of - and it might cause you a problem. > And I am running the 32bit ver. The 32-bit version of WHAT? Vista Home Premium x86? You've mentioned several versions and said you HAVE them, but I don't think you've said clearly what version is currently INSTALLED - what you plan to upgrade FROM. What version was pre-installed on the computer when you bought it, if any? Some of the rules are quite different for OEM versions of Windows/Vista. In the KB article, first there is the section that I was thinking of, dealing with "upgrading" from WinXP x86: <paste> Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on a computer that is running a 32-bit version of Windows XP or of Windows 2000 Most Windows XP and Windows 2000 users have the 32-bit version of these operating systems. For example, Windows 2000, Windows XP Home, Windows Tablet Edition and Windows Media Center Edition only come in 32-bit versions. For these operating systems, there is no upgrade installation path available when you upgrade from a 32-bit operating system to a 64-bit operating system. However, you can perform a custom installation that uses an upgrade license. After you purchase a Windows Vista DVD, follow these steps: 1. Back up all the data and the settings by using Windows XP Backup. Note You can also use Windows Easy Transfer. This back up program is available on the Windows Vista DVD. However, you must use the version that is on the 32-bit Windows Vista DVD if you want to use Windows Easy Transfer to back up a 32-bit version of Windows. 2. Insert the 64-bit version of Windows Vista into the system DVD drive, and then restart the computer. 3. Start Windows Vista Setup from the DVD when you are prompted. Note You must start Windows Vista Setup by starting the computer from the Windows Vista 64-bit DVD. The installation package will not run on a 32-bit operating system. 4. When you are prompted during Windows Vista Setup, remember to select Custom as the installation type. 5. After installation is complete, you can restore the data from its backup location. </paste> But then there is this section, which seems to fit YOUR situation: <paste> Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on computer that is running a 32-bit version of Windows Vista If you have purchased an Upgrade license together with a Windows Vista DVD, you must use one of the following methods. Method 1 Purchase a full version of the 64-bit version of Windows Vista. Method 2 1. Remove the 32-bit version of Windows Vista. 2. Install Windows XP. 3. Install the 64-bit version of Windows Vista by using an installation method that is listed earlier in this article. </paste> This seems to say that you MUST revert from Vista x86 to WinXP before installing Vista x64! :>( Maybe Colin (or Darrell) can explain this part. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) "Jim" <> wrote in message news  ED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-...> > thank you for such a full explainion. > > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an > upgrade > version. > And I am running the 32bit ver. > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > another > hard drive). > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > OS, > just my 32 bit ver. > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > drive > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > first? > Will it give me that choice? > > Jim > > "R. C. White" wrote: > >> Hi, Jim. >> >> "Upgrade" has two meanings in this context. >> >> First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have >> the >> right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any >> other >> qualifying product. >> >> Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to >> replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying >> product). >> >> Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers >> and >> other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the >> 64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a >> 64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed >> in >> your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform >> is >> from the 64-bit Vista DVD. >> >> So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in >> the >> sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents >> while >> leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST >> do a >> clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system >> partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough >> to >> verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade >> package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from >> 32-bit >> to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your >> applications. >> >> So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have >> CDs >> or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let >> it >> detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the >> partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications >> and restore your data files. >> >> You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista >> Ultimate. >> But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit >> DVD, >> reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from >> 32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home >> to >> Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit. >> >> RC >> >> "Jim" <> wrote in message >> news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-... >> > Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the >> > 64 >> > bit >> > DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit? >> > You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to >> > buy. >> > I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on >> > Vista >> > Utlimate. >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, Ric. >> >> >> >> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path >> >> from >> >> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean >> >> install >> >> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform >> >> thing. >> >> :>( >> >> >> >> RC >> >> >> >> "ricsgone" <> wrote in message >> >> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-... >> >> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to >> >> > upgrade >> >> > to >> >> > Win >> >> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have >> >> > ordered >> >> > the >> >> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade >> >> > using >> >> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit >> >> > version >> >> > when >> >> > it >> >> > arrives? >> >> > >> >> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb >> >> > OCZ >> >> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate >> >> > SATA >> >> > drives. >> >> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit. >> >> > -- >> >> > Ric Thomas |
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You're welcome.
The clarifications. >IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > another > hard drive). You are not required to reformat and do a clean install in the classic sense. It is not necessary but it will be available to you. If you do not use the disk tools at all but just follow the instructions you will see still see the same two options, upgrade (disabled in the present case) and custom. Custom will roll up the old 32bit Windows into windows.old files and then install the 64bit Windows. You can deal with the windows.old folders later or not as you wish. You will also have the option of using the disk tools if you wish before installing the 64bit Windows in which case there will be no windows.old folders afterwards. The simplest is to just follow the steps and not worry about reformatting and such. Some people think you have to do a classic clean install because they always did with earlier Windows. But the Vista installer works differently from any earlier version and not reformatting does not have the same issues. In other words, you can't get hurt either way now. > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > OS, > just my 32 bit ver. Vista Setup immediately scans the computer for existing Windows as soon as you enter the upgrade edition product key. It is very nearly instantaneous. It doesn't care about the bitness. It finds the existing Windows and then just lets you proceed. No messages. From that moment on Setup doesn't care about the existing Windows anymore. It has satisfied itself that you qualify to perform an installation using the upgrade pk. It doesn't check again. From that point on it just lets you get on with things your own way. It doesn't matter if you remove the existing Windows after the verification of your pk because Vista Setup is not going to look for it again. > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > drive > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > first? > Will it give me that choice? If you use an upgrade pk Setup does need to see an existing Windows but it does not have to be 64bit and it does not have to keep seeing it all through the installation process. All the existing Windows has to be is Windows 2000 Professional or later, any bitness. All installations of Vista are clean installations of the operating system. As I said, Vista Setup uses an imaging technology in which the formatting is inherent in the image. Setup will only reformat the rest of the drive if it is not already formatted NTFS or if you use the disk tools to do it before confirming installation. Setup will give you choices about where to install Windows if more than one partition is available. "Jim" <> wrote in message news ED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-...> > thank you for such a full explainion. > > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an > upgrade > version. > And I am running the 32bit ver. > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > another > hard drive). > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > OS, > just my 32 bit ver. > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > drive > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > first? > Will it give me that choice? > > Jim > |
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Thank you, I will read it. And thank you for your clear info. It is MOST
helpful! Jim "R. C. White" wrote: > Hi, Jim. > > The 64-bit upgrade needs to see a qualifying product already installed. > That product does NOT need to be a 64-bit version. > > We probably should have just sent you to this KB article in the first place, > Jim: > Installation choices for 64-bit consumer versions of Windows Vista > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/932795/en-us > > But there is a wrinkle in that KB that I was not aware of - and it might > cause you a problem. > > > And I am running the 32bit ver. > > The 32-bit version of WHAT? Vista Home Premium x86? You've mentioned > several versions and said you HAVE them, but I don't think you've said > clearly what version is currently INSTALLED - what you plan to upgrade FROM. > What version was pre-installed on the computer when you bought it, if any? > Some of the rules are quite different for OEM versions of Windows/Vista. > > In the KB article, first there is the section that I was thinking of, > dealing with "upgrading" from WinXP x86: > > <paste> > Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on a computer that is running a > 32-bit version of Windows XP or of Windows 2000 > Most Windows XP and Windows 2000 users have the 32-bit version of these > operating systems. For example, Windows 2000, Windows XP Home, Windows > Tablet Edition and Windows Media Center Edition only come in 32-bit > versions. For these operating systems, there is no upgrade installation path > available when you upgrade from a 32-bit operating system to a 64-bit > operating system. However, you can perform a custom installation that uses > an upgrade license. > > After you purchase a Windows Vista DVD, follow these steps: > 1. Back up all the data and the settings by using Windows XP Backup. > > Note You can also use Windows Easy Transfer. This back up program is > available on the Windows Vista DVD. However, you must use the version that > is on the 32-bit Windows Vista DVD if you want to use Windows Easy Transfer > to back up a 32-bit version of Windows. > > 2. Insert the 64-bit version of Windows Vista into the system DVD drive, and > then restart the computer. > 3. Start Windows Vista Setup from the DVD when you are prompted. > > Note You must start Windows Vista Setup by starting the computer from the > Windows Vista 64-bit DVD. The installation package will not run on a 32-bit > operating system. > > 4. When you are prompted during Windows Vista Setup, remember to select > Custom as the installation type. > 5. After installation is complete, you can restore the data from its backup > location. > </paste> > > But then there is this section, which seems to fit YOUR situation: > > <paste> > Installing a 64-bit version of Windows Vista on computer that is running a > 32-bit version of Windows Vista > If you have purchased an Upgrade license together with a Windows Vista DVD, > you must use one of the following methods. > Method 1 > Purchase a full version of the 64-bit version of Windows Vista. > Method 2 > 1. Remove the 32-bit version of Windows Vista. > 2. Install Windows XP. > 3. Install the 64-bit version of Windows Vista by using an installation > method that is listed earlier in this article. > </paste> > > This seems to say that you MUST revert from Vista x86 to WinXP before > installing Vista x64! :>( > > Maybe Colin (or Darrell) can explain this part. > > RC > -- > R. C. White, CPA > San Marcos, TX > > Microsoft Windows MVP > (Running Windows Live Mail 2008 in Vista Ultimate x64 SP1) > > "Jim" <> wrote in message > news ED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-...> > > > thank you for such a full explainion. > > > > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an > > upgrade > > version. > > And I am running the 32bit ver. > > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > > another > > hard drive). > > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > > OS, > > just my 32 bit ver. > > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > > drive > > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > > first? > > Will it give me that choice? > > > > Jim > > > > "R. C. White" wrote: > > > >> Hi, Jim. > >> > >> "Upgrade" has two meanings in this context. > >> > >> First meaning is the licensing. By buying the upgrade package, you have > >> the > >> right to upgrade to Vista (either 32-bit or 64-bit) from WinXP or any > >> other > >> qualifying product. > >> > >> Second is the actual process of installing the new operating system to > >> replace the old (and retire your right to continue to use the qualifying > >> product). > >> > >> Because of basic hardware differences, which require different drivers > >> and > >> other low-level support, you cannot boot into any 32-bit OS and run the > >> 64-bit Setup.exe from there. To run 64-bit Setup, you must boot into a > >> 64-bit system. This can be WinXP x64, if you already have it installed > >> in > >> your computer. But the most common way to boot into the 64-bit platform > >> is > >> from the 64-bit Vista DVD. > >> > >> So, as Colin told the OP, you cannot "upgrade" from 32-bit to 64-bit in > >> the > >> sense of just replacing your 32-bit OS files with 64-bit equivalents > >> while > >> leaving your existing applications, settings, etc., in place. You MUST > >> do a > >> clean install (a "custom install"), starting by reformatting the system > >> partition after Setup "sees" the installed 32-bit system just long enough > >> to > >> verify that you are eligible to use the Upgrade package. The Upgrade > >> package saves you money; it does not save you time in migrating from > >> 32-bit > >> to 64-bit. You must reformat your system partition and reinstall your > >> applications. > >> > >> So, first backup all your data and any applications that you don't have > >> CDs > >> or other media for. Then boot from the 64-bit DVD to start Setup. Let > >> it > >> detect the existence of the qualifying product. Then let it reformat the > >> partition and install 64-bit Vista. Finally, reinstall your applications > >> and restore your data files. > >> > >> You COULD upgrade your 32-bit Vista Home Premium to 32-bit Vista > >> Ultimate. > >> But then you would need to go through the same steps (boot from 64-bit > >> DVD, > >> reformat, install 64-bit Vista Ultimate, and reinstall apps) to get from > >> 32-bit Ultimate to 64-bit Ultimate. The hurdle is NOT in going from Home > >> to > >> Ultimate; it's in going from 32-bit to 64-bit. > >> > >> RC > >> > >> "Jim" <> wrote in message > >> news:8928AA71-A34A-4278-814E-... > >> > Just so I understand...I have Vista Ultimate 32 upgrade which has the > >> > 64 > >> > bit > >> > DVD upgrade but how exactly do I go to Vista 64 bit? > >> > You can only install a 64 bit over a 64 bit? If so what do I need to > >> > buy. > >> > I have a full version of Vista Home premium and the upgrade verison on > >> > Vista > >> > Utlimate. > >> > Thanks > >> > > >> > > >> > "R. C. White" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi, Ric. > >> >> > >> >> I just want to echo what Bobby said and add: There's no UPGRADE path > >> >> from > >> >> ANY 32-bit to ANY 64-bit operating system - or vice-versa. A clean > >> >> install > >> >> is not just recommended; it's required. It's a hardware platform > >> >> thing. > >> >> :>( > >> >> > >> >> RC > >> >> > >> >> "ricsgone" <> wrote in message > >> >> news:08D39EFF-E0E0-4E7D-B8D3-... > >> >> > I am currently running Win XP Pro (32 bit). I am intending to > >> >> > upgrade > >> >> > to > >> >> > Win > >> >> > Vista Home Premium and purchased the upgrade in 32 bit but have > >> >> > ordered > >> >> > the > >> >> > 64 bit DVD from MS. Here's the question: Can I go ahead and upgrade > >> >> > using > >> >> > the 32 bit version I have and then upgrade that to the 64 bit > >> >> > version > >> >> > when > >> >> > it > >> >> > arrives? > >> >> > > >> >> > My system is a new build; Core 2 Duo E8400, Asus P5K Deluxe MB, 8 Gb > >> >> > OCZ > >> >> > Platinum, nVidia 9600 GT (512) Direct X 10 and 2 x 320Gb Seagate > >> >> > SATA > >> >> > drives. > >> >> > All of my equipment supports 64 bit. > >> >> > -- > >> >> > Ric Thomas > |
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Well I did fhally get the 64bit to install but it was draining. Each time I tired to do a clean install Vista Ultimate 64 would say I did not have a genuine copy of windows installed, which was not true but after 4 different department calls to Microsoft I was handed off to India and the guy stayed with me thru the whole install. No one know why it did not see a real copy of Vista but he changed the key and reset it back to the original. In any case it is working...sort of.. My problem now is ...and I am not sure this is the right forum so maybe you can point me in the right direction. Vista Ultimate will only see 4 gb of my ram instead of the 8 I have and even tho I download the 64bit drivers for my Nvidia Geforce 8800GT, Vista only see's that is a Nivdia card but only gives me a 1 on the graphics index which is not even close to the 5.7 I should have. So perhaps you could tell me where to solve this as well? Jim "Colin Barnhorst" wrote: > You're welcome. > > The clarifications. > > >IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > > another > > hard drive). > > You are not required to reformat and do a clean install in the classic > sense. It is not necessary but it will be available to you. If you do not > use the disk tools at all but just follow the instructions you will see > still see the same two options, upgrade (disabled in the present case) and > custom. Custom will roll up the old 32bit Windows into windows.old files > and then install the 64bit Windows. You can deal with the windows.old > folders later or not as you wish. > > You will also have the option of using the disk tools if you wish before > installing the 64bit Windows in which case there will be no windows.old > folders afterwards. The simplest is to just follow the steps and not worry > about reformatting and such. Some people think you have to do a classic > clean install because they always did with earlier Windows. But the Vista > installer works differently from any earlier version and not reformatting > does not have the same issues. In other words, you can't get hurt either > way now. > > > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > > OS, > > just my 32 bit ver. > > Vista Setup immediately scans the computer for existing Windows as soon as > you enter the upgrade edition product key. It is very nearly instantaneous. > It doesn't care about the bitness. It finds the existing Windows and then > just lets you proceed. No messages. From that moment on Setup doesn't care > about the existing Windows anymore. It has satisfied itself that you > qualify to perform an installation using the upgrade pk. It doesn't check > again. From that point on it just lets you get on with things your own way. > It doesn't matter if you remove the existing Windows after the verification > of your pk because Vista Setup is not going to look for it again. > > > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > > drive > > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > > first? > > Will it give me that choice? > > If you use an upgrade pk Setup does need to see an existing Windows but it > does not have to be 64bit and it does not have to keep seeing it all through > the installation process. All the existing Windows has to be is Windows > 2000 Professional or later, any bitness. > > All installations of Vista are clean installations of the operating system. > As I said, Vista Setup uses an imaging technology in which the formatting is > inherent in the image. Setup will only reformat the rest of the drive if it > is not already formatted NTFS or if you use the disk tools to do it before > confirming installation. Setup will give you choices about where to > install Windows if more than one partition is available. > > "Jim" <> wrote in message > news ED3AF44-0670-4B44-ADD8-...> > > > thank you for such a full explainion. > > > > Just so I understand my options. As I said my Vista Ultimate is an > > upgrade > > version. > > And I am running the 32bit ver. > > IF I load my 64bit version will it allow me to install the 64 bit ver by > > reformatting and doing a clean install (and I would save my files on > > another > > hard drive). > > Will it do a full install even though it would not see a previous 64bit > > OS, > > just my 32 bit ver. > > In other words will it install as a full version by reforming the hard > > drive > > and doing a clean install. Does it need to see a older 64bit version > > first? > > Will it give me that choice? > > > > Jim > > > |
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