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arnuld
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      04-02-2008
> On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:26:31 +0530, Default User wrote:
>> dk wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>> I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
>> for this ?



> Stop using Google Groups. Get a real news service, and a real newsreader
> with robust filtering capability.


> Brian


I too stopped using Google Groups since all spam originates from them. I
use PAN.

But I can not find a way to search the last 10-20 years archives. If I
want to search for some question before I post it, I always have to go
to Google Groups since they are the only one who have made the archives
available. any replacement ?




 
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arnuld
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      04-02-2008
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

>> http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) writes:
>> Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails and
>> spammers.


> You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not do
> anything.



I have tried that. They do NOT care at ALL. Yesterday, I have also removed
the gmail account I had but thats because of "Cory Doctrow":

http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-..._control_1.php




 
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John Bode
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      04-02-2008
On Mar 31, 6:05 am, dk <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am fedup with the amount of spam in this group can anything be done
> for this ?
>
> -dK


The problem is with Google Groups. To avoid the spam, use a different
news server.

Yeah, it sucks.
 
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Ben Pfaff
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      04-02-2008
(E-Mail Removed) <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:

> A somewhat contrarian view, not my own[*], but IMO interesting
> and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
> *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?


If this is a real issue, there is an easy solution: tag spam
instead of excluding it entirely, and don't show articles tagged
as spam by default.
--
"Some people *are* arrogant, and others read the FAQ."
--Chris Dollin
 
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Flash Gordon
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      04-02-2008
Ben Pfaff wrote, On 02/04/08 17:05:
> (E-Mail Removed) <(E-Mail Removed)> writes:
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>> A somewhat contrarian view, not my own[*], but IMO interesting
>> and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
>> *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?

>
> If this is a real issue, there is an easy solution: tag spam
> instead of excluding it entirely, and don't show articles tagged
> as spam by default.


It's easier than that. Automatically suspend an account that triggers
the spam filters and don't propagate messages that trigger the spam
filters even if they were posted using Google Groups. They can keep them
in the archive if they want, I don't care about that.
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Flash Gordon
 
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      04-02-2008
(E-Mail Removed) wrote:

> In article <(E-Mail Removed)>,
> Ben Pfaff <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> > (E-Mail Removed) writes:
> >
> > > Cant we request Google to take some action against the spam mails
> > > and spammers.

> >
> > You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will
> > not do anything.

>
> A somewhat contrarian view, not my own[*], but IMO interesting
> and worth considering: In order for Google's archives to be valid
> *as* archives, don't they need to be as inclusive as possible?
> which, unfortunately, means including spam and other assorted junk.
>
>[*] No, I don't remember where I read it.


Well, as they respect the no archive flag, it doesn't seem like that is
a goal of theirs. And even if they want to archive spam, it doesn't
mean they have retransmit it.

They are the primary spam vector. The behavior is in no way defensible.





Brian
 
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James Dow Allen
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      04-03-2008
On Apr 2, 7:26*am, arnuld <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
> http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-...ogle_fiction_e...




Google helpfully truncated the above URL
but managed to provide it in response to
"Show Original message". Here it is:

http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-..._control_1.php


Blaming Google for the death of privacy
seems like blaming Glock for murders. The
game was lost before Google even existed, for
example when California's DMV sold its data
commercially. (It argued that it had a moral
obligation to taxpayers to monetize this data.)

I suppose I'm a "Googlemaniac": I use it for my
searches; gmail works quite fine for me; if I
had a better way to post, I'd still be likely to use
Google Groups for browsing or searching Usenet.

There is good news for the non-Googlers who
complain about Google Groups interface:
you don't know how bad it is! Sometimes, while
posting, the window will have 7 or 8 distinct
scroll bars, and I'll have to use 2 of them
just to scroll to where the scrollbars I really need
are, then scroll back to the input area.

Perhaps the most laughable part of Google Group's
interface concerns the "@" sign. If you
write "600 balloons@2 cents" I, as a Google Groups user,
will need to pass a mini-Turing test to read the
word "balloons"!! This is because Google fears I'm
a bot trying to accumulate your addresses.
Obviously such bots will bypass Google when reading
Usenet, but Google is apparently so megalomaniac
that it views Usenet as a tiny part of the greater
Groups over which it has control. The funny/sad
irony is that, while you guys add "Remove"
strings to your e-mail addresses, G-Groups won't
let us do that.


BTW: I don't have Internet at home and have no-
where to telnet into. I used to post Usenet
messages using, IIRC, something like
Pnews -raw
It should be an easy matter to create an html
form that would transfer input to Pnews, or
equivalent. Anyone care to do this for me?
(Stubborn of me to not have home Internet, perhaps,
since satellite dishes now make it easy even where
I live, but I know it would end up being a big
distraction from my pleasant retirement with
young kids and wife.)

James Dow Allen

(Perhaps I should set the From address to my
real address: jamesdowallen at gmail
It gets dozens of spams daily anyway.)
 
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arnuld
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      04-03-2008
> On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 12:04:20 +0530, James Dow Allen wrote:


> Blaming Google for the death of privacy seems like blaming Glock for
> murders. The game was lost before Google even existed, for example when
> California's DMV sold its data commercially. (It argued that it had
> a moral obligation to taxpayers to monetize this data.)



I googled for it and found it quite eqal to AT&T's involvement in NSA
shows in the movie "The Listening".


thanks for that.



 
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arnuld
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      04-03-2008
> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

> You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not do
> anything.



you know of any alternative to Google Group Archives ?


When I need to search for a question ranging back to posted
10 years ago, I have to open Google Groups. Do we have any replaement like
we have PAN as a replacement for posting using Google groups ?


 
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      04-03-2008
arnuld wrote:

>> On Tue, 01 Apr 2008 11:31:09 +0530, Ben Pfaff wrote:

>
>> You can request it all you like, but in my experience they will not
>> do anything.

>
>
> you know of any alternative to Google Group Archives ?
>
>
> When I need to search for a question ranging back to posted
> 10 years ago, I have to open Google Groups. Do we have any replaement
> like we have PAN as a replacement for posting using Google groups ?


By itself, Pan is not a replacement for Google Groups.

Many web based programming sites archives Usenet groups that deal with
their subject. For example a C or C++ forum may archive the contents of
c.l.c and c.l.c++ alone.

 
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