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In article
<doraymeRidThis->,
dorayme <> wrote:

> In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
> week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an hour
> today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
> (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had to
> manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just my
> machine at fault (not me, of course.)

I am running 10.3.9. In the "Date and Time" preference pane there is an
option to set the time automatically for America, Europe and Asia and
then to choose your "time zone" within those broad areas.

The US changed the date of DST for this year and mine went thru
automatically with only this setting in the Preferences.

If it is not working for you, try trashing the preference file and
re-setting for your zone.

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good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good
people to do evil things, that takes religion.

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Baho Utot wrote:
> This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra
> hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
> reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have
> approx. 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to
> count it.

You have completely missed the point. It is not about having more daylight.
It is about having more daylight hours when people can take advantage of
them. Having more daylight time before they wake up or before they go to
work is no help to the vast majority of people. Having more daylight time
AFTER work is extremely helpful.

Yes, in theory everyone could go to work an hour earlier and return an hour
earlier without changing the clocks, but the reality is that this will never
be viable for anyone that is not self-employed and/or makes use of services
provided by other people who also work on a schedule.

As for just moving the clock and leaving it that way that is not done (at
least in the US) because people do not want their children going to school
in the morning while it is still dark. As others have stated the extra hour
of light in the evening loses its advantage once it moves within the time
people are working (those that work indoors anyway) so to leave it in DST
all year would give us six months of the disadvantages without any of the
advantages.

Frankly people who feel this is disruptive have pretty small things to
complain about. Moving the dates on which the clocks are to be changed was
a PITA for a lot of electronic/computerized systems, but the actual time
change is no big deal at all.

In article <>,
Baho Utot <baho-> wrote:

> All days have approx. 24
> hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.

Can you cite a reference for that?
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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 13:43:06 +0000, Rick Brandt wrote:

> Baho Utot wrote:
>> This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra
>> hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
>> reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx.
>> 24 hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.
>
> You have completely missed the point. It is not about having more
> daylight. It is about having more daylight hours when people can take
> advantage of them. Having more daylight time before they wake up or
> before they go to work is no help to the vast majority of people.
> Having more daylight time AFTER work is extremely helpful.
>
> Yes, in theory everyone could go to work an hour earlier and return an
> hour earlier without changing the clocks, but the reality is that this
> will never be viable for anyone that is not self-employed and/or makes
> use of services provided by other people who also work on a schedule.
>
> As for just moving the clock and leaving it that way that is not done
> (at least in the US) because people do not want their children going to
> school in the morning while it is still dark. As others have stated the
> extra hour of light in the evening loses its advantage once it moves
> within the time people are working (those that work indoors anyway) so
> to leave it in DST all year would give us six months of the
> disadvantages without any of the advantages.
>
> Frankly people who feel this is disruptive have pretty small things to
> complain about. Moving the dates on which the clocks are to be changed
> was a PITA for a lot of electronic/computerized systems, but the actual
> time change is no big deal at all.

Only if your life revolves around going to work.


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Tayo'y Mga Pinoy

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 10:34:20 -0400, Warren Oates wrote:

> In article <>,
> Baho Utot <baho-> wrote:
>
>> All days have approx. 24
>> hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.
>
> Can you cite a reference for that?

Sure just Google for As The World Turns



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Baho Utot <baho-> wrote:

> > DST is not about having one more hour of daylight in the evening. It's
> > about having one more hour of daylight during the period that people are
> > active. In summer, you waste daylight hours in the morning. That is why
> > it makes sense to change that by changing the clock (or your habits).
> >
> > In winter, it's still dark when you get up in the morning. Using DST (or
> > using another time zone permanently) in winter would mean one more hour
> > of darkness in the morning. That is when people are drving to work and
> > are at work, so having daylight in the morning is more important than
> > having an extra hour of daylight in the evening.
> >
> > That is why DST is only used part of the year. DST only works in summer,
> > because it gives you an extra hour in the evening *without* stealing it
> > from the morning. If it worked all year round, we would have changed
> > time zone ages ago. Or easier, we would have different habits and work
> > from eight to four or from seven to three rather than from nine to five.
>
> This thread is amazing as the folks that _think_ they can get an extra
> hour of sunlite. The Earth revolves at a somewhat fixed pace so the
> reality of this is you don't get an extra hour. All days have approx. 24
> hours and that is all you get no matter how you want to count it.

What part of "It's about having one more hour of daylight during the
period that people are active" didn't you understand?


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Adrienne <> wrote:
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed dorayme
> <> writing in news:doraymeRidThis-
> :

>> In NSW Australia, daylight saving does not finish until 6th April (a
>> week later than usual). I noticed my computer clock was put back an
> hour
>> today. It is supposed to be done automatically on a per region basis
>> (set in sys pref on a Mac). Something or someone has stuffed up. Had
> to
>> manually put it forward again. It is possible, I suppose, it is just
> my
>> machine at fault (not me, of course.)
>>

> I hate daylight saving time. It's a waste of time. The sun isn't going
> to do anything different just because we want it to, and Bessy the cow
> isn't going to give milk any sooner, just because Old McDonald's buyers
> are the the farm an hour earlier. Traffic accidents spike at the
> beginning of DST, because our internal clocks don't give a hoot what the
> clock says either - we're losing an hour of sleep.

> I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

I'd much rather have sunset in the summer be around 2100 than 2000 though.
I get more daylight when I want it (after work) with DST.

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Adrienne Boswell wrote:

> I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

Indeed -- I've been saying that for years.

In fact, my vote is that we scrap timezones altogether and everyone goes
by UTC all the time. I'm not suggesting that children in New Zealand ought
to be going to school at night time, and eating their lunches by the light
of the moon -- they'd keep their normal routines, it would just be the
notation used for times that would change.

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Phil Kempster wrote:

> I live in a half hour time zone, like Newfoundland!

A lot of people forget that half hour time zones exist. In fact a good
proportion of the world's population live in them. (Hint: India is in
UTC+05:30.) 15/45-minute timezones exist too, though they're mostly used
by tiny island nations.

Before WWI, Liberia was at GMT-00:43:08, and until WWII, the Netherlands
were at GMT+00:19:32. But the last of those weird time zones was phased
out in the 1980s, so all time zones are now rounded off to 15 minutes.

Thanks to the weirdly shaped international date line, many small islands
are more than twelve hours ahead of or behind UTC -- parts of Kiribati are
at UTC+14:00, which just *has* to be some kind of publicity stunt! ("We're
so far ahead of the rest of the world here.")

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Cognition 0.1 Alpha 6
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Adrienne Boswell wrote:

> I say it's time to get rid of DST altogether.

I propose a campaign to eliminate the scourge of DST by 2016 (the 100th
anniversary of the first usage of DST).

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[Geek of HTML/SQL/Perl/PHP/Python/Apache/Linux]
[OS: Linux 2.6.17.14-mm-desktop-9mdvsmp, up 4 days, 5:01.]

Cognition 0.1 Alpha 6
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