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Brian Mathews wrote:
> All SMART software works with Seagate drives as the have SMART built into them, BUT the readings
> cant be used as they are special propriety to Seagate, Please READ what I posted.
>

And Toyota cars only work properly with Shell oil - it's proprietary to
Toyota.

In article <>, Brian Mathews did
write:

> Have a Read
>
> Reply from seagate as follows:

You see, the difference between you and me is, I actually checked it for
myself. As opposed to you, who are simply taking someone else's word for
it.

And you have the cheek, elsewhere, to complain about people attacking you,
when you are so quick to denigrate them in the first place.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:42:40 +1300, Brian Mathews
<> wrote:

>On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:24:58 +1300, EMB <> wrote:
>
>>Brian Mathews wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Mar 2008 17:00:38 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>>>> write:
>>>>
>>>>> From my searches on Google it seems that you can't use ANY SMART Testing
>>>>> software with Seagate drives.
>>>> root@theon:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
>>>> smartctl version 5.38 [x86_64-pc-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-8 Bruce Allen
>>>> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>>>>
>>>> === START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
>>>> Model Family: Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 family
>>>> Device Model: ST3320620AS
>>>> Serial Number: 5QF5273J
>>>> Firmware Version: 3.AAK
>>>> User Capacity: 320,072,933,376 bytes
>>>> Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
>>>> ATA Version is: 7
>>>> ATA Standard is: Exact ATA specification draft version not indicated
>>>> Local Time is: Sat Mar 29 16:59:54 2008 NZDT
>>>> SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
>>>> SMART support is: Enabled
>>>
>>>
>>> I WILL STATE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT USE SMART SOFTWARE WITH SEAGATE HARD DRIVES AS THE READING GEVEN ARE
>>> PROPRIETY..
>>>
>>> YOU CAN ONLY USE THE SEATOOLS SOFTWARE.
>>>
>>> THE SMART READINGS HAVE NO MEANINGS.
>>>
>>Bullshit Roger. SMART is a standard... and Seagate have not broken it.
>
>
>
>Go do some Google searched and come back and apologize..

Do you ever apologise when you continually get your facts wrong?
Tool.

Brian Mathews wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:46:40 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:
>
>> In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>> write:
>>
>>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>>> can't be used with SMART software.
>> electro:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
>> smartctl version 5.37 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
>> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>>
>> Device: MAXTOR ATLASU320_36_SCA Version: B120
>> Serial number: 344231711983
>> Device type: disk
>> Transport protocol: Fibre channel (FCP-2)
>> Local Time is: Sun Mar 30 16:45:36 2008 NZDT
>> Device supports SMART and is Enabled
>> Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported
>>
>> How much further do you want to take this?
>
>
>
> Have a Read
>
> Reply from seagate as follows:
>
> To test your drives use SeaTools Desk Top which is made to test Seagate/ Maxtor drives. The
> attributes that define different specifications are proprietary to Seagate and this is why they
> would be unknown to a third party utility. As long as you have S.M.A.R.T. enabled in your controller
> BIOS there should not be an issue with the drive reporting an issue. There is also the possibility
> that the drive could fail with out posting a S.M.A.R.T error due to a mechanical failure.
>
>
>
>
> I reast my case..
>
> am I the only one with any brains here.?
>
>

They are probably referring to the advanced attributes.

There are standard attributes defined by the disk drive industries Small
Form Factor Commitee as SFF-8035 common to all drive manufacturers, and
in addition manufacturers can add their own enhanced attributes.
As the info posted by LDO shows there are third party programs to read
the standard attributes.

Somewhere on teh intarweb "EMB" typed:
> Brian Mathews wrote:
>>
>>
>> Go do some Google searched and come back and apologize..
>>
>>
> **** off Roger. I did the google research before I posted, and it
> confirmed what I already know from real world experience. SMART works
> identically on both Seagate and other drives. Now you apologise you
> arrogant, senile and just plain wrong old fool.
>
> PS.... note that those who can be bothered replying to you are all of
> the same opinion - it lends a lot of weight to the fact that you are
> WRONG.

Gawd, I hate to say this but, in defense of the pathetic, decrepit old fool,
Seagate drives seem to report three "unknown attributes" when queried by
most SMART programmes (that I've used). This is extra to the 14 attributes
that are known that they also report. I think that the old fool is confusing
this *extra* seemingly-proprietary data with non-compliance to SMART
standards. Or something.
--
Shaun.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:03:55 +1300, "Max Burke" <> wrote:

>
>
>"Brian Mathews" <> wrote in message
>news:.. .
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:30:38 +1300, "Max Burke" <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Brian Mathews wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Max Burke wrote:
>>>
>>>> From my searches on Google it seems that you can't use ANY SMART Testing
>>>> software with Seagate drives.
>>>
>>>> I WILL STATE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT USE SMART SOFTWARE WITH SEAGATE HARD
>>>> DRIVES
>>>> AS THE READING GEVEN ARE
>>>> PROPRIETY..
>>>> YOU CAN ONLY USE THE SEATOOLS SOFTWARE.
>>>> THE SMART READINGS HAVE NO MEANINGS.
>>>
>>>>>No need to shout...
>>>>>HDD Health v3.2 Build 134 Beta new! (works with the internal Seagate
>>>>>drives
>>>>>in my computer; Cant read the SMART info over USB for the external
>>>>>Seagate
>>>>>drives)
>>>>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines
>>>>>using
>>>>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>>>>monitors
>>>>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure. The program uses Self
>>>>>Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built into all new hard
>>>>>disks, and can predict failures on your hard drives. A host of alerting
>>>>>features include email, local pop-up messages, net messages, and event
>>>>>logging, while using no system resources.
>>>>>http://www.panterasoft.com/
>>>
>>>>>What is SpeedFan (works with the internal Seagate drives; Cant read the
>>>>>SMART info over USB for the external Seagate drives)
>>>>>SpeedFan is a program that monitors voltages, fan speeds and
>>>>>temperatures
>>>>>in
>>>>>computers with hardware monitor chips. SpeedFan can even access
>>>>>S.M.A.R.T.
>>>>>info for those hard disks that support this feature and show hard disk
>>>>>temperatures too, if supported. SpeedFan supports SCSI disks too.
>>>>>http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>>>
>>>> All SMART software works with Seagate drives as the have SMART built
>>>> into
>>>> them,
>>>
>>>SO do most other brands of Hard drives.
>>>
>>>S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.
>>>S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major hard disk drive
>>>manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the reliability of drives.
>>>It is a technology that enables the PC to predict the future failure of
>>>hard
>>>disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for
>>>hard
>>>drive manufacturers.
>>>
>>>Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a suite
>>>of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of a drive
>>>and
>>>provide an early warning for many types of potential problems. When a
>>>potential problem is detected, the drive can be repaired or replaced
>>>before
>>>any data is lost or damaged.
>>>http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html
>>>
>>>> BUT the readings
>>>> cant be used as they are special propriety to Seagate, Please READ what
>>>> I
>>>> posted.
>>>
>>>To repeat:
>>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
>>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>>monitors
>>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure.
>>>The program uses Self Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.)
>>>built
>>>into
>>>
>>>==> ALL NEW HARD DISKS <==,
>>>
>>>and can predict failures on your hard drives.
>>>
>>>
>>>What EXACTLY are you trying to use the SMART information for? How are YOU
>>>trying to use that information?
>>>
>>>SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are
>>>numerous
>>>freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
>>>available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
>>>SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
>>>capability.
>
>> Not with Seagate drives go ask them..
>
>S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard drive
>manufacturers.
>http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html
>
>But Brian/Roger carry on believing whatever it is that you want to
>believe...



I give up I did not know that u was so dumb..

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:14:00 +1300, "Max Burke" <> wrote:

>> Max Burke wrote:
>
>>> Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>>SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are numerous
>>freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
>>available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
>>SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
>>capability.
>
>>> Not with Seagate drives go ask them..
>
>Yes they do. I have SEVEN Seagate hard drives attached to this computer.
>All seven drives have SMART capability. All programmes I have tried DO read
>the SMART diagnostic information for these drives, and display it, when
>connected to the IDE ports.



I DID NOT STATE THAT THEY DID NOT SUPPORT SMART BUT SMART SOFTWARE CAN'T BE USED ON THEM AS THE
READINGS THAT YOU GET CAN ONLY BE USED BY SEAGATE.

GEE ARE U THAT THICK..

>When plugged into a USB port the SMART Diagnostic information is not
>available because the USB controller does not pass the SMART Diagnostic
>information.
>There is software available that will allow SMART diagnostic information to
>be read over USB provided the USB controller allows it.
>Same with hard drives in a RAID array.
>
>S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard drive
>manufacturers.
>http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html
>
>But Brian/Roger carry on believing whatever it is that you want to
>believe...

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 18:46:03 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:

>In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>write:
>
>> Have a Read
>>
>> Reply from seagate as follows:
>
>You see, the difference between you and me is, I actually checked it for
>myself. As opposed to you, who are simply taking someone else's word for
>it.
>
>And you have the cheek, elsewhere, to complain about people attacking you,
>when you are so quick to denigrate them in the first place.


No I don't they get what they give, they Insult me first for NO reason at all.

Also some other info.

Unlike SMART status, self-tests and logs, SMART attributes are *not*
standardized in ATA-3...8. Even the general data format isn't standardized.

Specific Attributes are only listed in a proposed informal annex for
ATA-8. But it is still not included in the draft.

See "ATA References" at http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/#references
for links & comments.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 19:05:47 +1300, sam <> wrote:

>Brian Mathews wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:46:40 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>>> write:
>>>
>>>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>>>> can't be used with SMART software.
>>> electro:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
>>> smartctl version 5.37 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
>>> Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>>>
>>> Device: MAXTOR ATLASU320_36_SCA Version: B120
>>> Serial number: 344231711983
>>> Device type: disk
>>> Transport protocol: Fibre channel (FCP-2)
>>> Local Time is: Sun Mar 30 16:45:36 2008 NZDT
>>> Device supports SMART and is Enabled
>>> Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported
>>>
>>> How much further do you want to take this?
>>
>>
>>
>> Have a Read
>>
>> Reply from seagate as follows:
>>
>> To test your drives use SeaTools Desk Top which is made to test Seagate/ Maxtor drives. The
>> attributes that define different specifications are proprietary to Seagate and this is why they
>> would be unknown to a third party utility. As long as you have S.M.A.R.T. enabled in your controller
>> BIOS there should not be an issue with the drive reporting an issue. There is also the possibility
>> that the drive could fail with out posting a S.M.A.R.T error due to a mechanical failure.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I reast my case..
>>
>> am I the only one with any brains here.?
>>
>>
>
>They are probably referring to the advanced attributes.
>
>There are standard attributes defined by the disk drive industries Small
>Form Factor Commitee as SFF-8035 common to all drive manufacturers, and
>in addition manufacturers can add their own enhanced attributes.
>As the info posted by LDO shows there are third party programs to read
>the standard attributes.



Unlike SMART status, self-tests and logs, SMART attributes are *not*
standardized in ATA-3...8. Even the general data format isn't standardized.

Specific Attributes are only listed in a proposed informal annex for
ATA-8. But it is still not included in the draft.

See "ATA References" at http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/#references
for links & comments.

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 22:15:21 +1300, "~misfit~" <> wrote:

>Somewhere on teh intarweb "EMB" typed:
>> Brian Mathews wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Go do some Google searched and come back and apologize..
>>>
>>>
>> **** off Roger. I did the google research before I posted, and it
>> confirmed what I already know from real world experience. SMART works
>> identically on both Seagate and other drives. Now you apologise you
>> arrogant, senile and just plain wrong old fool.
>>
>> PS.... note that those who can be bothered replying to you are all of
>> the same opinion - it lends a lot of weight to the fact that you are
>> WRONG.
>
>Gawd, I hate to say this but, in defense of the pathetic, decrepit old fool,
>Seagate drives seem to report three "unknown attributes" when queried by
>most SMART programmes (that I've used). This is extra to the 14 attributes
>that are known that they also report. I think that the old fool is confusing
>this *extra* seemingly-proprietary data with non-compliance to SMART
>standards. Or something.


Unlike SMART status, self-tests and logs, SMART attributes are *not*
standardized in ATA-3...8. Even the general data format isn't standardized.

Specific Attributes are only listed in a proposed informal annex for
ATA-8. But it is still not included in the draft.

See "ATA References" at http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/#references
for links & comments.