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> Brian Mathews wrote:

>> Max Burke wrote:

> From my searches on Google it seems that you can't use ANY SMART Testing
> software with Seagate drives.

> I WILL STATE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT USE SMART SOFTWARE WITH SEAGATE HARD DRIVES
> AS THE READING GEVEN ARE
> PROPRIETY..
> YOU CAN ONLY USE THE SEATOOLS SOFTWARE.
> THE SMART READINGS HAVE NO MEANINGS.

>>No need to shout...
>>HDD Health v3.2 Build 134 Beta new! (works with the internal Seagate
>>drives
>>in my computer; Cant read the SMART info over USB for the external Seagate
>>drives)
>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>monitors
>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure. The program uses Self
>>Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built into all new hard
>>disks, and can predict failures on your hard drives. A host of alerting
>>features include email, local pop-up messages, net messages, and event
>>logging, while using no system resources.
>>http://www.panterasoft.com/

>>What is SpeedFan (works with the internal Seagate drives; Cant read the
>>SMART info over USB for the external Seagate drives)
>>SpeedFan is a program that monitors voltages, fan speeds and temperatures
>>in
>>computers with hardware monitor chips. SpeedFan can even access S.M.A.R.T.
>>info for those hard disks that support this feature and show hard disk
>>temperatures too, if supported. SpeedFan supports SCSI disks too.
>>http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php

> All SMART software works with Seagate drives as the have SMART built into
> them,

SO do most other brands of Hard drives.

S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.
S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major hard disk drive
manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the reliability of drives.
It is a technology that enables the PC to predict the future failure of hard
disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard
drive manufacturers.

Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a suite
of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of a drive and
provide an early warning for many types of potential problems. When a
potential problem is detected, the drive can be repaired or replaced before
any data is lost or damaged.
http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html

> BUT the readings
> cant be used as they are special propriety to Seagate, Please READ what I
> posted.

To repeat:
HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it monitors
hard disks and alerts you to impending failure.
The program uses Self Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built
into

==> ALL NEW HARD DISKS <==,

and can predict failures on your hard drives.


What EXACTLY are you trying to use the SMART information for? How are YOU
trying to use that information?

SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are numerous
freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
capability.

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In article <>, Brian Mathews did
write:

> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
> can't be used with SMART software.

electro:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
smartctl version 5.37 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/

Device: MAXTOR ATLASU320_36_SCA Version: B120
Serial number: 344231711983
Device type: disk
Transport protocol: Fibre channel (FCP-2)
Local Time is: Sun Mar 30 16:45:36 2008 NZDT
Device supports SMART and is Enabled
Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported

How much further do you want to take this?

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:25:10 +1300, Thor <> wrote:

>Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>> can't be used with SMART software.
>>
>> I do suggest you do some research before you make a utter fool of
>> yourself..
>>
>> I have done that over a few days and that is why I posted the comments
>> here.
>
>
> From the horses mouth itself, that gave me the biggest laugh I've had for
>ages. We all know you are a fool Roger but for you to actually admit it was
>just the icing on the cake.


No you are the Fool as you have Not posted any thing to disprove my statement

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:30:38 +1300, "Max Burke" <> wrote:

>> Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>>> Max Burke wrote:
>
>> From my searches on Google it seems that you can't use ANY SMART Testing
>> software with Seagate drives.
>
>> I WILL STATE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT USE SMART SOFTWARE WITH SEAGATE HARD DRIVES
>> AS THE READING GEVEN ARE
>> PROPRIETY..
>> YOU CAN ONLY USE THE SEATOOLS SOFTWARE.
>> THE SMART READINGS HAVE NO MEANINGS.
>
>>>No need to shout...
>>>HDD Health v3.2 Build 134 Beta new! (works with the internal Seagate
>>>drives
>>>in my computer; Cant read the SMART info over USB for the external Seagate
>>>drives)
>>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
>>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>>monitors
>>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure. The program uses Self
>>>Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built into all new hard
>>>disks, and can predict failures on your hard drives. A host of alerting
>>>features include email, local pop-up messages, net messages, and event
>>>logging, while using no system resources.
>>>http://www.panterasoft.com/
>
>>>What is SpeedFan (works with the internal Seagate drives; Cant read the
>>>SMART info over USB for the external Seagate drives)
>>>SpeedFan is a program that monitors voltages, fan speeds and temperatures
>>>in
>>>computers with hardware monitor chips. SpeedFan can even access S.M.A.R.T.
>>>info for those hard disks that support this feature and show hard disk
>>>temperatures too, if supported. SpeedFan supports SCSI disks too.
>>>http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>
>> All SMART software works with Seagate drives as the have SMART built into
>> them,
>
>SO do most other brands of Hard drives.
>
>S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.
>S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major hard disk drive
>manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the reliability of drives.
>It is a technology that enables the PC to predict the future failure of hard
>disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard
>drive manufacturers.
>
>Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a suite
>of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of a drive and
>provide an early warning for many types of potential problems. When a
>potential problem is detected, the drive can be repaired or replaced before
>any data is lost or damaged.
>http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html
>
>> BUT the readings
>> cant be used as they are special propriety to Seagate, Please READ what I
>> posted.
>
>To repeat:
>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it monitors
>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure.
>The program uses Self Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built
>into
>
>==> ALL NEW HARD DISKS <==,
>
>and can predict failures on your hard drives.
>
>
>What EXACTLY are you trying to use the SMART information for? How are YOU
>trying to use that information?
>
>SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are numerous
>freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
>available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
>SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
>capability.



Not with Seagate drives go ask them..

"Brian Mathews" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:30:38 +1300, "Max Burke" <>
> wrote:
>
>>> Brian Mathews wrote:
>>
>>>> Max Burke wrote:
>>
>>> From my searches on Google it seems that you can't use ANY SMART Testing
>>> software with Seagate drives.
>>
>>> I WILL STATE AGAIN YOU CAN NOT USE SMART SOFTWARE WITH SEAGATE HARD
>>> DRIVES
>>> AS THE READING GEVEN ARE
>>> PROPRIETY..
>>> YOU CAN ONLY USE THE SEATOOLS SOFTWARE.
>>> THE SMART READINGS HAVE NO MEANINGS.
>>
>>>>No need to shout...
>>>>HDD Health v3.2 Build 134 Beta new! (works with the internal Seagate
>>>>drives
>>>>in my computer; Cant read the SMART info over USB for the external
>>>>Seagate
>>>>drives)
>>>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines
>>>>using
>>>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>>>monitors
>>>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure. The program uses Self
>>>>Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.) built into all new hard
>>>>disks, and can predict failures on your hard drives. A host of alerting
>>>>features include email, local pop-up messages, net messages, and event
>>>>logging, while using no system resources.
>>>>http://www.panterasoft.com/
>>
>>>>What is SpeedFan (works with the internal Seagate drives; Cant read the
>>>>SMART info over USB for the external Seagate drives)
>>>>SpeedFan is a program that monitors voltages, fan speeds and
>>>>temperatures
>>>>in
>>>>computers with hardware monitor chips. SpeedFan can even access
>>>>S.M.A.R.T.
>>>>info for those hard disks that support this feature and show hard disk
>>>>temperatures too, if supported. SpeedFan supports SCSI disks too.
>>>>http://www.almico.com/speedfan.php
>>
>>> All SMART software works with Seagate drives as the have SMART built
>>> into
>>> them,
>>
>>SO do most other brands of Hard drives.
>>
>>S.M.A.R.T. stands for Self-Monitoring Analysis and Reporting Technology.
>>S.M.A.R.T. technology was developed by a number of major hard disk drive
>>manufacturers in a concerted effort to increase the reliability of drives.
>>It is a technology that enables the PC to predict the future failure of
>>hard
>>disk drives. S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for
>>hard
>>drive manufacturers.
>>
>>Through the S.M.A.R.T. system, modern hard disk drives incorporate a suite
>>of advanced diagnostics that monitor the internal operations of a drive
>>and
>>provide an early warning for many types of potential problems. When a
>>potential problem is detected, the drive can be repaired or replaced
>>before
>>any data is lost or damaged.
>>http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html
>>
>>> BUT the readings
>>> cant be used as they are special propriety to Seagate, Please READ what
>>> I
>>> posted.
>>
>>To repeat:
>>HDD Health is a full-featured failure-prediction agent for machines using
>>Windows 95, 98, NT, Me, 2000 and XP. Sitting in the system tray, it
>>monitors
>>hard disks and alerts you to impending failure.
>>The program uses Self Monitoring and Reporting Technology (S.M.A.R.T.)
>>built
>>into
>>
>>==> ALL NEW HARD DISKS <==,
>>
>>and can predict failures on your hard drives.
>>
>>
>>What EXACTLY are you trying to use the SMART information for? How are YOU
>>trying to use that information?
>>
>>SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are
>>numerous
>>freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
>>available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
>>SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
>>capability.

> Not with Seagate drives go ask them..

S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard drive
manufacturers.
http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html

But Brian/Roger carry on believing whatever it is that you want to
believe...

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:46:40 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:

>In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>write:
>
>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>> can't be used with SMART software.
>
>electro:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
>smartctl version 5.37 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
>Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
>Device: MAXTOR ATLASU320_36_SCA Version: B120
>Serial number: 344231711983
>Device type: disk
>Transport protocol: Fibre channel (FCP-2)
>Local Time is: Sun Mar 30 16:45:36 2008 NZDT
>Device supports SMART and is Enabled
>Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported
>
>How much further do you want to take this?



Yes e-mail Seagate and find out, I have a copy of one here..

Then may be you will shut up..

> Max Burke wrote:

>> Brian Mathews wrote:

>SMART diagnostics are not limited to Seagate drives, and there are numerous
>freeware, shareware, and commercial applications (try Google again)
>available that read, monitor, and warn of hard drive problems using the
>SMART diagnostic information available from hard drives that have that
>capability.

>> Not with Seagate drives go ask them..

Yes they do. I have SEVEN Seagate hard drives attached to this computer.
All seven drives have SMART capability. All programmes I have tried DO read
the SMART diagnostic information for these drives, and display it, when
connected to the IDE ports.

When plugged into a USB port the SMART Diagnostic information is not
available because the USB controller does not pass the SMART Diagnostic
information.
There is software available that will allow SMART diagnostic information to
be read over USB provided the USB controller allows it.
Same with hard drives in a RAID array.

S.M.A.R.T. technology has become an industry standard for hard drive
manufacturers.
http://www.ariolic.com/activesmart/s...echnology.html

But Brian/Roger carry on believing whatever it is that you want to
believe...

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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:25:10 +1300, Thor <> wrote:

>Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>> can't be used with SMART software.
>>
>> I do suggest you do some research before you make a utter fool of
>> yourself..
>>
>> I have done that over a few days and that is why I posted the comments
>> here.
>
>
> From the horses mouth itself, that gave me the biggest laugh I've had for
>ages. We all know you are a fool Roger but for you to actually admit it was
>just the icing on the cake.



Why attack me when you know nothing about the subject show what sort of Person you are..

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:46:40 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <_zealand> wrote:

>In article <>, Brian Mathews did
>write:
>
>> I will sate again the Readings that you get are Seagate specific and
>> can't be used with SMART software.
>
>electro:~ # smartctl -i /dev/sda
>smartctl version 5.37 [i686-suse-linux-gnu] Copyright (C) 2002-6 Bruce Allen
>Home page is http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net/
>
>Device: MAXTOR ATLASU320_36_SCA Version: B120
>Serial number: 344231711983
>Device type: disk
>Transport protocol: Fibre channel (FCP-2)
>Local Time is: Sun Mar 30 16:45:36 2008 NZDT
>Device supports SMART and is Enabled
>Temperature Warning Disabled or Not Supported
>
>How much further do you want to take this?



Have a Read

Reply from seagate as follows:

To test your drives use SeaTools Desk Top which is made to test Seagate/ Maxtor drives. The
attributes that define different specifications are proprietary to Seagate and this is why they
would be unknown to a third party utility. As long as you have S.M.A.R.T. enabled in your controller
BIOS there should not be an issue with the drive reporting an issue. There is also the possibility
that the drive could fail with out posting a S.M.A.R.T error due to a mechanical failure.




I reast my case..

am I the only one with any brains here.?

Brian Mathews wrote:
>
>
> Go do some Google searched and come back and apologize..
>
>
**** off Roger. I did the google research before I posted, and it
confirmed what I already know from real world experience. SMART works
identically on both Seagate and other drives. Now you apologise you
arrogant, senile and just plain wrong old fool.

PS.... note that those who can be bothered replying to you are all of
the same opinion - it lends a lot of weight to the fact that you are WRONG.