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On Mar 28, 7:24*am, Mark Space <marksp...@sbc.global.net> wrote:

> NetBeans claims to have something called camel-case completion, where it
> can figure out the class name from *just* the capital letters in the
> class name. *Like String would be S and ArrayList would be AL. *I've
> never used it, but it sounds cool.

Well Eclipse has this also, hit CTRL-SHIFT-T in the java perspective
and you can just enter IB to find a class named IntegrationBean etc.
Once you get used to it its pretty cool.

It also ignores case if you enter the classname, just like IntelliJ
(not sure how NetBeans handles this, because I've never used it).

/Steen

On Mar 27, 11:50*pm, mttc <mtczx...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> And also when I change name of variable on the declaration statment,
> it's rename the name on all his scope.

Eclipse will rename the variable if you ask it to.
Put your cursor on the varaible, hit alt-shift-r to rename it.

/Steen

On Mar 26, 5:43*pm, mttc <mtczx...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I use with VS2005 of microsoft. I want to move to JAVA. bu I try
> Eclipse and I disappointment. the IDE is crash from time totime and
> It's not campareable with VS. I try also Netbean. but I think that
> JAVA worth for beter IDE.
> So what is the best IDE (even commercial)?

The best IDE for Java Developers is NetBeans 6....

Mark Space wrote:
> Lew wrote:
>> mttc wrote:
>>>> VS). Also I have prefer to not allow case sensative even the lenguge
>>>> allow this(VB on VS correct the Upper case according the decleration).

Eclipse allows for this sort of foolishness ...

>>
>> The Java language not only allows case sensitivity, it requires it.
>>
>> Mark Space wrote:
>>> Case has been commented on before, by other folks. It's an issue for
>>> some, not for many.
>>
>> Case matters in Java.
>
> He's saying the IDE should ignore case when looking for identifier names
> for completion. Some Visual Microsoft product does this, I guess, and
> it's trained a lot of coders to expect the feature. I can see where it
> could be handy, but I'm used to case-sensitive completion so I tend to
> adjust for it with out thinking about it.

Eclipse does this, I just tried it. I've never knowingly used it before.
I have a variable named caseButton, I typed casebut and pressed
Ctrl+Space (for "Content Assist"), Eclipse replaced casebut with caseButton.

If I was switching to C# using VS I'd not complain in public about
having to learn the VS ways of doing the things I'm already familiar
with in Eclipse.

Why should I expect VS to be exactly like Eclipse?


Suggestion to mttc:
Instead of whinging that Eclipse/Netbeans/whatever is unproductive
because (you think) it doesn't do X/Y/Z exactly like VS does,
* Pick a Java IDE - Eclipse, Netbeans, IntelliJ, JCreator, ...
* Read a tutorial for that IDE [1]
* Find the appropriate support forum for that IDE. [2]
* Try not post inflammatory comparisons with other IDEs
* Omit pointless disparagement of the IDE.
* Ask in that forum "how do I do X"
* Remember it's OK for different IDEs to differ in how they do X.

[1] For Eclipse: select the "Help" menu, "Tips & Tricks", "Java
Development", read everything on the right hand side.
[2] For Eclipse: http://www.eclipse.org/newsgroups/

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RGB

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 11:22:57 -0700 (PDT), mttc <>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :

>I see that you agree that NetBean is the best. So my wonder why all
>guys talking about Eclipse?

What pretty well everyone does it give some of the possible IDEs a
trial run of day to a few weeks. Then they pick the one that drives
them crazy the least. Then they gradually learn the quirks and obscure
features.

They will then stick with it, unless that IDE is abandoned or clearly
surpassed.

They might try some of the other IDEs every once in awhile, but they
will seem clumsy in comparison, because they work differently and they
don't know the lore to make them work at their best. So that
reinforces the opinion they already have the best.

The same applies to word processors. As I used to say in public
lectures, "I would be much easier to talk someone into changing wives
than word processors."

People will rarely change IDEs unless:
1. theirs stops working or becomes unusable.
2. they hear some other IDE has a unique feature that will save them a
ton of work.

The problem is no one has the time and skill to be able to compare
IDEs from a position of full competence on all the contenders.
It would have to be someone looking for objective criteria to compare
them for a comparative magazine article.

I think in my case I worked with Eclipse which drove me nuts. Then I
switched to IntelliJ Idea, which I learned quite quickly. I think my
experience with Eclipse greased the wheels.

It all very much what you are used to. I hated Emacs with a fiery
passion. My finger reflexes simply refused to key CUA one moment and
Emacs the next.
--

Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com

On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:04:23 -0700, Mark Space
<> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
who said :

>Or what IntelliJ does well,

see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html

Perhaps some eclipse/netbeans users would like to provide some text on
the good and bad about their ides for the corresponding entries in the
glossary.

--

Roedy Green Canadian Mind Products
The Java Glossary
http://mindprod.com

Roedy Green wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:04:23 -0700, Mark Space
> <> wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone
> who said :
>
>> Or what IntelliJ does well,
>
> see http://mindprod.com/jgloss/intellij.html
>
> Perhaps some eclipse/netbeans users would like to provide some text on
> the good and bad about their ides for the corresponding entries in the
> glossary.
>

Yes, I'm late with my NetBeans assignment. I've read your review of
IntelliJ before, I was hoping for a second review. Oh well....

On Mar 28, 3:47*am, steen <st...@jost.dk> wrote:
> On Mar 28, 7:24*am, Mark Space <marksp...@sbc.global.net> wrote:
>
> > NetBeans claims to have something called camel-case completion, where it
> > can figure out the class name from *just* the capital letters in the
> > class name. *Like String would be S and ArrayList would be AL. *I've
> > never used it, but it sounds cool.
>
> Well Eclipse has this also, hit CTRL-SHIFT-T in the java perspective
> and you can just enter IB to find a class named IntegrationBean etc.
> Once you get used to it its pretty cool.
>
> It also ignores case if you enter the classname, just like IntelliJ
> (not sure how NetBeans handles this, because I've never used it).
>

Hmm I just tried that in RAD 7 and instead of IntegrationBean, I get
"ib - com.ibm.crypto.provider" as first result, followed by similar
options. I didn't even see IntegrationBean in the (very large!) list
that was offered. This could be a RAD-specific quirk though.

RedGrittyBrick wrote:
> If I was switching to C# using VS I'd not complain in public about
> having to learn the VS ways of doing the things I'm already familiar
> with in Eclipse.
>
> Why should I expect VS to be exactly like Eclipse?

There is one difference.

Almost all Java developers have worked with more than
one Java IDE.

There are a lot of C# developers that have never worked
with anything else than VS.

Arne

Lord Zoltar wrote:
> On Mar 28, 3:47 am, steen <st...@jost.dk> wrote:
>> Well Eclipse has this also, hit CTRL-SHIFT-T in the java perspective
>> and you can just enter IB to find a class named IntegrationBean etc.
>> Once you get used to it its pretty cool.
>>
>> It also ignores case if you enter the classname, just like IntelliJ
>> (not sure how NetBeans handles this, because I've never used it).
>
> Hmm I just tried that in RAD 7 and instead of IntegrationBean, I get
> "ib - com.ibm.crypto.provider" as first result, followed by similar
> options. I didn't even see IntegrationBean in the (very large!) list
> that was offered. This could be a RAD-specific quirk though.

My guess is that it depends on what is in classpath.

IntegrationBean is not a standard Java class.

Arne