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Don Wiss
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      03-24-2008
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:50:15 -0800, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>Don Wiss wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>
>>>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.

>>
>> Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not

>
>Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
>you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
>headers.


Yes, it is Regex. And you are correct. You are limited to Subject and
Author in the old version.

>> easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.

>
>And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts by
>containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
>filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior fallback.)
>
>Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
>along?


I don't know what the new version does. I never upgraded, mostly as I love
the simple text editor in the old one, and they went to fancy formatting in
the new one. This, of course, is not needed for newsgroups, but they've
always tried to market it as also an e-mail package.

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
 
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Blinky the Shark
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      03-24-2008
Don Wiss wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>
>>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.

>
> Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not


Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
headers.

> easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.


And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts by
containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior fallback.)

Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
along?


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Blinky the Shark
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      03-24-2008
Paul Furman wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
>>> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed
>>> to cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
>>> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...

>>
>> I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore
>> cancels.
>>
>> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

>
> I just had to add a filter that deletes cancel messages
>
> I did get NewsProxy working though so google groups should be gone.


Excellent! Enjoy.

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Don Wiss
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      03-24-2008
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

> But I'm also a news client junkie.
>Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake of my
>listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the UIP site) I
>have...uh...I think nine installed and configured and ready to read/post.


I'm the opposite. I started using Free Agent on 3/22/95. (I checked my out
box.) When the full version came out I got serial number 236. The only
reason it is that high is when the e-mail came in that I could buy I found
the server overloaded. So I did not try very hard until a few hours later.
I haven't used anything else since.

Now everything I've ever posted is in that one outbox.

Don <www.donwiss.com> (e-mail link at home page bottom).
 
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Blinky the Shark
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      03-24-2008
Don Wiss wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:50:15 -0800, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>>Don Wiss wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Anyway, even the full version of Agent can't filter well.
>>>
>>> Actually it does. It supports expressions. It is in the help. It is not

>>
>>Regex is certainly nice (assuming that by "expressions" that's what
>>you're addressing), but you have to be able to apply regex to the right
>>headers.

>
> Yes, it is Regex. And you are correct. You are limited to Subject and
> Author in the old version.


Thunderbird is close behind in that race: only filters on Subject, From
and - of all things - Date.

>>> easy, unless you already know expressions from elsewhere.

>>
>>And can it natively filter on Message-ID, which distinquishes GG posts
>>by containing the string google ? (Note that this is not the same as
>>filtering on gmail in the From header, which is a common inferior
>>fallback.)
>>
>>Can it do this all of a sudden -- since it hasn't been able to do so all
>>along?

>
> I don't know what the new version does. I never upgraded, mostly as I


It doesn't.

> love the simple text editor in the old one, and they went to fancy
> formatting in the new one. This, of course, is not needed for
> newsgroups, but they've always tried to market it as also an e-mail
> package.


I try to steer clear of combo news/mail clients. I believe in stand-alone
apps that do one thing really well. I don't want to do a job with a swiss
army knife if I have real tools available; the SAN is only for
emergencies. That said, I do have Thunderbird installed on some computers
here -- but that's only for two reasons: for street cred within the
Mozilla community when I'm posting to the mozilla servers (that's the only
place I use TB) and because I wanted to test using it with local proxies
in Windows and Linux, which can do its filtering for it (by pre-filtering
the groups before TB sees them). But I'm also a news client junkie.
Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake of my
listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the UIP site) I
have...uh...I think nine installed and configured and ready to read/post.


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Ron Hunter
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      03-24-2008
er wrote:
> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
>
> I could not find a way to filter on googlegroups in Message ID using
> Thunderbird or OE in combination with News Proxy.
>
> What I did, is something one of the replys to my post suggested. Using the
> tools/message rules in outlook express, I set up a rule to block on the from
> line. Reading the headers in OE, all that shows up in the from column is a
> name or initials. Behind that however is a full email address, visible only
> if you click on properties while the message line is highlighted. As
> someone pointed out, most of the crap that is posted from googlegroups comes
> from gmail or some other google email account. By ruling out a handful of
> google related email sources, most of the spam is gone. The names I've
> inserted into my rule are "google, groups.google.com, gmail, googlemail,etc.
> I've just added the email of the replica watch posters, and yahoo.com.cn,
> which have been the source of other recent spam.
>
> Those spam messages from "dale" that snuck through this AM were easily delt
> with using the "block sender" under message in OE. All were posted from a
> single email address.
>
> I'm still seeing posts complaining about the spam, but virtually all of the
> spam is gone.
>
> I know that this isn't a perfect solution, but for right now, it seems to be
> working pretty well. Thanks to Tom D for setting me on the right track.
>
> EQR
>
>

Just adding 'googlemail', and 'gmail' to my filters got rid of most of
the current barrage of crap. I may unleash those domains after 'spring
break' is over everywhere. An idle mind it the Devil's playground.
 
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Blinky the Shark
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      03-24-2008
Don Wiss wrote:

> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008, Blinky the Shark <(E-Mail Removed)>
> wrote:
>
>> But I'm also a news client junkie.
>>Between curiosity and reasons like the above (and for the sake
>>of my listing of news clients and how to filter with them at the
>>UIP site) I have...uh...I think nine installed and configured
>>and ready to read/post.

>
> I'm the opposite. I started using Free Agent on 3/22/95. (I
> checked my out box.) When the full version came out I got serial
> number 236. The only reason it is that high is when the e-mail
> came in that I could buy I found the server overloaded. So I did
> not try very hard until a few hours later. I haven't used
> anything else since.
>
> Now everything I've ever posted is in that one outbox.


My 80,000 posts are all at the GG archive, and they're welcome to
them.


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Paul Furman
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      03-24-2008
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Paul Furman wrote:
>
>> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>> Don Wiss wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 17:37:33 GMT, "er" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mine was the original post questioning how to filter google groups.
>>>> Another thing is someone could issue rogue cancels. One is not supposed
>>>> to cancel articles that they didn't post. And some ISPs ignore cancel
>>>> messages. And this takes a little work. But it is effective...
>>> I think that by now, *most* news feeds (ISP or otherwise) ignore
>>> cancels.
>>>
>>> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

>> I just had to add a filter that deletes cancel messages
>>
>> I did get NewsProxy working though so google groups should be gone.

>
> Excellent! Enjoy.


Astounding difference overnight!
 
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Tony Sivori
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      03-25-2008
Blinky the Shark wrote:
> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.


Well, Mr Shark, I took your advice. I recently added all posts from
googlegroups.com to my filters, in every group that I read. The stench
from the damn googlegroups sewer is just too much. Usenet is better off
without google.

There is some collateral damage. But the more people that filter the
googlegroups spam, the fewer legitimate posters will post through google.

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Blinky the Shark
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      03-25-2008
Tony Sivori wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> Too much abuse from third-party cancels.

>
> Well, Mr Shark, I took your advice. I recently added all posts
> from googlegroups.com to my filters, in every group that I read.
> The stench from the damn googlegroups sewer is just too much.
> Usenet is better off without google.


Tony, may I quote that paragraph on one of the UIP "Other Voices"
pages? I'd love to, with your permission. I know -- this is a
public medium and could just steal it. But I'm terminally
courteous, and won't use it without your permission. I'll credit
you, as I do the others there. Go to the UIP link in my sig, and
see the Voices pages to see to what I refer. Please advise, here.
Thanks a lot.

> There is some collateral damage. But the more people that filter
> the googlegroups spam, the fewer legitimate posters will post
> through google.


I don't feel the collateral damage is significant, since most of
the other Google Gropers besides the spammers are clueless about
Usenet and what it is, and therefore about how to use it.

Enjoy your new Improved Usenet, Tony.


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