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On 03/12/08 01:13 pm, dorayme wrote:
>> >
>> > "This tutorial will show you how to add such a text size switcher
>> > to your Web pages using PHP and CSS, thereby immediately making
>> > your Web site more accessible and scoring you useful brownie
>> > points from everyone over the age of 50. Keep reading, and find
>> > out how!"
>> >
>> Rather insulting to people over 50. It assumes they all have vision
>> problems while no one under 50 does.
>
> A couple of things Jim, because of the way you have snipped my
> post, let me make it clear that I did *not* say what is inside
> the quote marks. Not something that many people would pick up
> from the way you snipped the very short post.
>
I know. I was responding the sentiment in the quoted quoted text, not to
anything that you said.
>
> Your last remark seems to me to miss an important point and that
> is that you can set 100% as default but still provide a facility
> for people who are not so familiar with their web browsers but
> would like bigger or smaller. This is different to dictating to
> people some super small size and giving them an option for
> bigger. It is a totally different tactic. It was in fact, part of
> the post which you snipped.
>
It took a long time for me (now, now! be nice!) to figure out why some
sites had that little row of A's (usually 3 or 4), all the same size,
somewhere on the page. Since I have JS normally disabled and a minimum
font size set, clicking on those had no results. When I finally twigged to
their purpose, I was then further disappointed that even the largest text
size option was never large enough, i.e., it never made it to 100%.
You are proposing doing the opposite. Are you be sure you can offer a
set of sizes that will be satisfying to the eagle-eyed?

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In article <-q->,
Jim Moe <jmm-> wrote:

> On 03/12/08 01:13 pm, dorayme wrote:
> >> >

> > ... you can set 100% as default but still provide a facility
> > for people who are not so familiar with their web browsers but
> > would like bigger or smaller. This is different to dictating to
> > people some super small size and giving them an option for
> > bigger. It is a totally different tactic. It was in fact, part of
> > the post which you snipped.
> >
> It took a long time for me (now, now! be nice!)

On this score I am not one to be superior in any way. I am taking
too long to develop my alternative theory of the concept of the
canvas... <g>


> to figure out why some
> sites had that little row of A's (usually 3 or 4), all the same size,
> somewhere on the page.

Now that is a nice reminder, good point, that at least the A's
should reflect the size of what to expect, to give an idea to the
user.

> Since I have JS normally disabled and a minimum
> font size set, clicking on those had no results.

Those techniques were obviously not server side then.

> When I finally twigged to
> their purpose, I was then further disappointed that even the largest text
> size option was never large enough, i.e., it never made it to 100%.

You see, I think this is what is going on! You have all been
through bad experiences on this score and it has made you unduly
wary.

> You are proposing doing the opposite. Are you be sure you can offer a
> set of sizes that will be satisfying to the eagle-eyed?

To not dare because one can not be sure is not exactly to be
generally recommended for beings with pretensions of pride and
independence.

Actually I don't care too much about the eagle eyed (I might even
tease them and make their button go to 2pt!). But 120% (up from
100) can do a power of good for a whole bunch of folk, mainly
elderly.

I say not to be too frightened to go that little extra distance
to help the deserving. Not to be too ideological. (I am so sick
of hearing - my own voice included - saying to leave this and
that to the user as some sort of absolute law which makes any
exception seem like a nostrum). The big thing is to allow the
website to stand on its own if none of these extras work.

Now and then, for example, I say things about how to download
stuff, I don't always *just* leave it to visitors. Because I have
seen so many folk so puzzled about computer operations. Those who
know do not need it. It won't kill anyone.

But I do agree that an author's tendency should be to the lean,
there are too many dangers in having enthusiastic good intentions.

--
dorayme

On Mar 12, 2:48 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
> I've had poor vision since I was 8 years old. Age has nothing to do with it.

While being young does not mean good eyesight, I do agree with dorayme
about the 50 year eyesight creep.

Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Travis Newbury
<> writing in
news:ad9ea54b-21c1-4943-94e8-:

> On Mar 12, 2:48 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>> I've had poor vision since I was 8 years old. Age has nothing to do
>> with it.
>
> While being young does not mean good eyesight, I do agree with dorayme
> about the 50 year eyesight creep.

Dateline - Glendale CA - Ralphs Grocery Store 3/16/2008

When checking out, the checker said suddenly, "Can I see your ID,
please?". He had my six pack of George Killian Irish Red in his hand.

I thought he was talking to someone else, until he said it again, and I
said, "Me? You want ID from me?"

He said "Yes, I have to ask for ID for anyone who looks under 30."

Pointing at my gray hair, I asked again, "Me?"

With a very serious look on his face, he said, "Yes."

I took my ID out, and handed it to him saying, "I'm 51."

He said, "Well, you don't look it!"

I said, "Come here, I want to kiss you!" and I gave him a nice kiss on
the cheek. The whole supermarket broke into laughter.

My face may not look 51, but my eyes certainly know their age.

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Adrienne Boswell wrote:
> Gazing into my crystal ball I observed Travis Newbury
> <> writing in
> news:ad9ea54b-21c1-4943-94e8-:
>
>> On Mar 12, 2:48 pm, Bergamot <berga...@visi.com> wrote:
>>> I've had poor vision since I was 8 years old. Age has nothing to do
>>> with it.
>> While being young does not mean good eyesight, I do agree with dorayme
>> about the 50 year eyesight creep.
>
> Dateline - Glendale CA - Ralphs Grocery Store 3/16/2008
>
> When checking out, the checker said suddenly, "Can I see your ID,
> please?". He had my six pack of George Killian Irish Red in his hand.
>
> I thought he was talking to someone else, until he said it again, and I
> said, "Me? You want ID from me?"
>
> He said "Yes, I have to ask for ID for anyone who looks under 30."
>
> Pointing at my gray hair, I asked again, "Me?"
>
> With a very serious look on his face, he said, "Yes."
>
> I took my ID out, and handed it to him saying, "I'm 51."
>
> He said, "Well, you don't look it!"
>
> I said, "Come here, I want to kiss you!" and I gave him a nice kiss on
> the cheek. The whole supermarket broke into laughter.
>
> My face may not look 51, but my eyes certainly know their age.
>

My city (Alpharetta, GA) inexplicably enacted an ordinance some years
ago that requires any purveyor of alcoholic beverages (stores,
restaurants, etc.) to check a photo ID when selling/serving an alcoholic
beverage. This trumps any state or federal law. After this ordinance
passed I was in my local grocery store with a typical collection of
"stuff" at the checkout, including some beer and wine. The clerk, upon
scanning the beverages, said: "May I see your ID, please?"

I said: "Hey, if any 20-year old (the legal age limit) comes in here
looking like me he DESERVES a freaking drink!!!"

Gray hair? Hell, I pointed to my lack of hair and gray beard and said:
"Are you freaking kidding me?" Unfortunately, the locals are serious
about enforcement and the stores are disinclined to pay the fines. On
the plus side, we're still allowed to shoot people who threaten us in
Georgia. Sigh. Oh well. Get a little, give a little.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
A penny saved is ridiculous.

In article <>,
Ed Mullen <> wrote:

> Adrienne Boswell wrote:

> > I said, "Come here, I want to kiss you!" and I gave him a nice kiss on
> > the cheek. The whole supermarket broke into laughter.
> >
> > My face may not look 51, but my eyes certainly know their age.
> >
>
....

> Gray hair? Hell, I pointed to my lack of hair and gray beard and said:
> "Are you freaking kidding me?" ...

O come on Ed, tell us the best bit, what happened when you went
to kiss him?

--
dorayme

dorayme wrote:
> In article <>,
> Ed Mullen <> wrote:
>
>> Adrienne Boswell wrote:
>
>>> I said, "Come here, I want to kiss you!" and I gave him a nice kiss on
>>> the cheek. The whole supermarket broke into laughter.
>>>
>>> My face may not look 51, but my eyes certainly know their age.
>>>
> ...
>
>> Gray hair? Hell, I pointed to my lack of hair and gray beard and said:
>> "Are you freaking kidding me?" ...
>
> O come on Ed, tell us the best bit, what happened when you went
> to kiss him?
>

I would have kissed HER but, frankly, she wasn't that cute.

--
Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
99 percent of lawyers give the rest a bad name.

> My city (Alpharetta, GA)...

How cool, I am in Lawrenceville...

> inexplicably enacted an ordinance some years
> ago that requires any purveyor of alcoholic beverages (stores,
> restaurants, etc.) to check a photo ID when selling/serving an alcoholic
> beverage. This trumps any state or federal law...

Ditto for Lawrenceville...

> After this ordinance
> passed I was in my local grocery store with a typical collection of
> "stuff" at the checkout, including some beer and wine. The clerk, upon
> scanning the beverages, said: "May I see your ID, please?"
>
> I said: "Hey, if any 20-year old (the legal age limit) comes in here
> looking like me he DESERVES a freaking drink!!!"

Got to love it. It happens every time in L-ville

> Gray hair?

Nope, 51 and not a gray hair to be found. At Six flags weight/age
booth, I usually get "37 or 38" Good genes I guess...

> Hell, I pointed to my lack of hair and gray beard and said:
> "Are you freaking kidding me?" Unfortunately, the locals are serious
> about enforcement and the stores are disinclined to pay the fines.

Yes they are. There is a package store I go to in Duluth all the
time, they know me by name (which is kind of sad I guess...) But I
still get asked to see the ID.

>On
> the plus side, we're still allowed to shoot people who threaten us in
> Georgia. Sigh. Oh well. Get a little, give a little.

Got to love the south...

Travis Newbury wrote:
>> My city (Alpharetta, GA)...
>
> How cool, I am in Lawrenceville...

Neat! Very small world.

>> On
>> the plus side, we're still allowed to shoot people who threaten us in
>> Georgia. Sigh. Oh well. Get a little, give a little.
>
> Got to love the south...
>

<g>

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Ed Mullen
http://edmullen.net
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