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Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
What the Bible Says About Muhammad
http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040
According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will
raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command
him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter
18, verse 1. The prophet described in the above verse must have the
following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will
come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God
will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare
what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of.
1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers
to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be
upon him and all of God's prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet
of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born
miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other
hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and
both died natural deaths.
2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac
(Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab
nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet
spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from
among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of
Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his
mouth 'Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of
Muhammad's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad's task
was only to repeat what he heard.' (Word Religions from Ancient
history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the
angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat
to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come
from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These
are written down in the Qur'an word for word, exactly as they came
from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for,
according to the Bible, God says: 'I will punish anyone who refuses to
obey him' (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In
the Glorious Qur'an The Qur'an tells us many wonderful things about
Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honor him and
believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she
believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur'an says that Jesus was
born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that
he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised
the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these
miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to
create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a
woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from
neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman.
And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman,
without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that
Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God.
The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's
leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter
2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show
that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded
in the Gospel of John to have said: 'I can do nothing of my own
authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own
authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an
tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was
taught by previous prophets from God - that we must shun every false
god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the
servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These
Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew
26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one
he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13,
and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as 'Servant of
God'. The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus,
and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to
Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus
will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he
is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a
word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and
in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus
was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be
compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the
Israelites: 'You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
truth that I heard from God' (John 8:40).

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:19:40 -0800 (PST), dawa-dawa
<> wrote:

>Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
>http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
>What the Bible Says About Muhammad
>http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040

More fairy tales.

dawa-dawa wrote:
> Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
> http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
> What the Bible Says About Muhammad
> http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040
> According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will
> raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
> put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command
> him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter
> 18, verse 1. The prophet described in the above verse must have the
> following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will
> come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God
> will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare
> what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of.
> 1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers
> to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be
> upon him and all of God's prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet
> of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born
> miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other
> hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and
> both died natural deaths.
> 2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac
> (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab
> nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet
> spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from
> among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of
> Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his
> mouth 'Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of
> Muhammad's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad's task
> was only to repeat what he heard.' (Word Religions from Ancient
> history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the
> angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat
> to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come
> from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These
> are written down in the Qur'an word for word, exactly as they came
> from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for,
> according to the Bible, God says: 'I will punish anyone who refuses to
> obey him' (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In
> the Glorious Qur'an The Qur'an tells us many wonderful things about
> Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honor him and
> believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she
> believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur'an says that Jesus was
> born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that
> he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised
> the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these
> miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to
> create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a
> woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from
> neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman.
> And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman,
> without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that
> Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God.
> The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's
> leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter
> 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show
> that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded
> in the Gospel of John to have said: 'I can do nothing of my own
> authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own
> authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an
> tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was
> taught by previous prophets from God - that we must shun every false
> god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the
> servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These
> Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew
> 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one
> he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13,
> and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as 'Servant of
> God'. The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus,
> and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to
> Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus
> will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he
> is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a
> word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and
> in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus
> was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be
> compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the
> Israelites: 'You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
> truth that I heard from God' (John 8:40).
Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63. Moses performed many
miracles and Muhammad performed none. Moses spoke directly to God and
Muhammad supposedly to the Angel Gabriel whom he first thought was the
Devil until his wife convinced him it was an angel. Moses freed his
people using the powers of God to persuade Pharaoh to set his people
free. Muhammad took up arms to lead his people. Moses brought his people
the Ten Commandments and Muhammad broke most of those commandments.

ProfGene <> wrote:

>Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
which is more likely?

> Moses spoke directly to God
god told Moses what he wanted to hear I bet.
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On Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:28:14 -0600, ProfGene <> wrote:

>dawa-dawa wrote:
>> Prophet Muhammad the last Messenger in the Bible
>> http://www.islamhouse.com/p/51912
>> What the Bible Says About Muhammad
>> http://www.islamhouse.com/p/53040
>> According to the Bible, God said to Moses, on whom be peace: I will
>> raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will
>> put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command
>> him. (The Holy Bible, New International Version, Deuteronomy chapter
>> 18, verse 1. The prophet described in the above verse must have the
>> following three characteristics: 1. He will be like Moses. 2. He will
>> come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites. 3. God
>> will put His words in the mouth of the prophet and he will declare
>> what God commanded him. Let us see which prophet God was speaking of.
>> 1. The prophet like Moses Some people feel that this prophecy refers
>> to the prophet Jesus, on whom be peace. But, although Jesus (peace be
>> upon him and all of God's prophets and messengers) was truly a prophet
>> of God, he is not the prophet spoken of here. He was born
>> miraculously, and finally God raised him up miraculously. On the other
>> hand, Muhammad is more like Moses; both were born in a natural way and
>> both died natural deaths.
>> 2. From among the Ishmaelites Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac
>> (Genesis, chapter 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab
>> nation. And Isaac became the grandfather of Jewish nation. The prophet
>> spoken of was to come not from among the Jews themselves, but from
>> among their brothers, the Ishmaelites. Muhammad a descendant of
>> Ishmael, is indeed that prophet. 3. God will put his words in his
>> mouth 'Neither the content of the revelation, nor its form, were of
>> Muhammad's devising. Both were given by the angel, and Muhammad's task
>> was only to repeat what he heard.' (Word Religions from Ancient
>> history to the Present, by Geoffrey Parrinder, p. 472). God sent the
>> angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words that he should repeat
>> to the people. The words are therefore not his own; they did not come
>> from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the angel. These
>> are written down in the Qur'an word for word, exactly as they came
>> from God. Now that we know that prophet we must listen to him, for,
>> according to the Bible, God says: 'I will punish anyone who refuses to
>> obey him' (Good News Bible, Deut. 18:19). Jesus (on whom be peace) In
>> the Glorious Qur'an The Qur'an tells us many wonderful things about
>> Jesus. As a result, believers in the Qur'an love Jesus, honor him and
>> believe in him. In fact, no Muslim can be a Muslim unless he or she
>> believes in Jesus, on whom be peace. The Qur'an says that Jesus was
>> born of a virgin, that he spoke while he was still only a baby, that
>> he healed the blind and the leper by God's leave and that he raised
>> the dead by God's leave. What then is the significance of these
>> miracles? First, the virgin birth. God demonstrates His power to
>> create in every way. God created everyone we know from a man and a
>> woman. But how about Adam, on whom be peace? God created him from
>> neither a man nor a woman. And Eve from only a man, without a woman.
>> And finally, to complete the picture, God created Jesus from a woman,
>> without a man. What about the other miracles? These were to show that
>> Jesus was not acting on his own behalf, but that he was backed by God.
>> The Qur'an specifies that these miracles were performed by God's
>> leave. This may be compared to the Book of Acts in the Bible, chapter
>> 2, verse 22, where it says that the miracles were done by God to show
>> that he approved of Jesus. Also, note that Jesus himself is recorded
>> in the Gospel of John to have said: 'I can do nothing of my own
>> authority' (5:30). The miracles, therefore, were done not by his own
>> authority, but by God's authority. What did Jesus teach? The Qur'an
>> tells us that Jesus came to teach the same basic message which was
>> taught by previous prophets from God - that we must shun every false
>> god and worship only the One True God. Jesus taught that he is the
>> servant and messenger of the One True God, the God of Abraham. These
>> Qur'anic teachings can be compared with the Bible (Mark 10:18; Matthew
>> 26:39; John 14:28, 17:3, and 20:17) where Jesus teaches that the one
>> he worshipped is the only true God. See also Matthew 12:18; Acts 3:13,
>> and 4:27 where we find that his disciples knew him as 'Servant of
>> God'. The Qur'an tells us that some of the Israelites rejected Jesus,
>> and conspired to kill him, but God rescued Jesus and raised him to
>> Himself. God will cause Jesus to descend again, at which time Jesus
>> will confirm his true teachings and everyone will believe in him as he
>> is and as the Qur'an teaches about him. Jesus is the Messiah. He is a
>> word from God, and a spirit from Him. He is honored in this world and
>> in the hereafter, and he is one of those brought nearest to God. Jesus
>> was a man who spoke the truth which he heard from God. This can be
>> compared with the Gospel According John where Jesus says to the
>> Israelites: 'You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the
>> truth that I heard from God' (John 8:40).
>Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63. Moses performed many
>miracles and Muhammad performed none. Moses spoke directly to God and
>Muhammad supposedly to the Angel Gabriel whom he first thought was the
>Devil until his wife convinced him it was an angel. Moses freed his
>people using the powers of God to persuade Pharaoh to set his people
>free. Muhammad took up arms to lead his people. Moses brought his people
>the Ten Commandments and Muhammad broke most of those commandments.

Bullshit. No one has ever performed a miracle. Only and idiot believes
that crap.

wrote:
> ProfGene <> wrote:
>
>> Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
> which is more likely?
>
Moses lived in an earlier time, when the years were shorter.
I think that Muhammed was born sometime between Augustus and Octavius
Caesar, and certainly before Julius.
Therefore, at least one month- but not 3- would have been added to the
Calendar of Moses (each of the Caesars- Augustus, Octavius, and Julius,
would add their own months August, October, and July- to the Calendar,
prior to the modern Gregorian Calendar).
I think that the calendar of Moses would have been roughly similiar to
the old Persian Calendar (still followed culturally, today).

catchme wrote:

> wrote:
>> ProfGene <> wrote:
>>
>>> Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
>> which is more likely?
>>
> Moses lived in an earlier time, when the years were shorter.

That was "yearlight saving time". Every April and October they'd set
their calendars a couple months forward or backward...


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catchme <> wrote:

> wrote:
>> ProfGene <> wrote:
>>
>>> Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
>> which is more likely?

>Moses lived in an earlier time, when the years were shorter.
>I think that Muhammed was born sometime between Augustus and Octavius
>Caesar, and certainly before Julius.
>Therefore, at least one month- but not 3- would have been added to the
>Calendar of Moses (each of the Caesars- Augustus, Octavius, and Julius,
>would add their own months August, October, and July- to the Calendar,
>prior to the modern Gregorian Calendar).
>I think that the calendar of Moses would have been roughly similiar to
>the old Persian Calendar (still followed culturally, today).

And that's how you justify these religious figures living so long?

" this makes it more accurate than the Gregorian Calendar"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_calendar


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On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15:48:00 -0800, wrote:

> catchme <> wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> ProfGene <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
>>> which is more likely?
>
>>Moses lived in an earlier time, when the years were shorter.
>>I think that Muhammed was born sometime between Augustus and Octavius
>>Caesar, and certainly before Julius.
>>Therefore, at least one month- but not 3- would have been added to the
>>Calendar of Moses (each of the Caesars- Augustus, Octavius, and Julius,
>>would add their own months August, October, and July- to the Calendar,
>>prior to the modern Gregorian Calendar).
>>I think that the calendar of Moses would have been roughly similiar to
>>the old Persian Calendar (still followed culturally, today).
>
>And that's how you justify these religious figures living so long?
>
>" this makes it more accurate than the Gregorian Calendar"
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_calendar

They didn't live that long because it's a fairy tale.

wrote:
> catchme <> wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> ProfGene <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Moses lived to be 120 and Muhammad only 63.
>>> which is more likely?
>
>> Moses lived in an earlier time, when the years were shorter.
>> I think that Muhammed was born sometime between Augustus and Octavius
>> Caesar, and certainly before Julius.
>> Therefore, at least one month- but not 3- would have been added to the
>> Calendar of Moses (each of the Caesars- Augustus, Octavius, and Julius,
>> would add their own months August, October, and July- to the Calendar,
>> prior to the modern Gregorian Calendar).
>> I think that the calendar of Moses would have been roughly similiar to
>> the old Persian Calendar (still followed culturally, today).
>
> And that's how you justify these religious figures living so long?
>
> " this makes it more accurate than the Gregorian Calendar"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_calendar
>
>
the jewish calendar at least, seemed to be very inaccurate, so likely
accounting for Moses' longevity, and yet increasingly shorter lifespans
accounted in "Numbers, Deutronomy" during Babylonian rule.
its likely that prior to reformation (many of the oldest calendars
started off wildly inaccurate, based upon theology or agriculture,
rather than lunar or solar- and only later consideration would see an
evolution where improvements would be made in the course of time), the
Persian calendar was as well, as both Cultures had similiar history (see
Abraham, Ibrihim).
What made the Julian calendar interesting is that it was the most
accurate in its time, in the European Continent (saving the Mayan
calendar for later discussion)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_calendar