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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 19:29:13 +1100, "bassett"
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>"SalesMart.com.au" <sales@___Email_Address_on_Web_site> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 13:17:40 +1100, "bassett"
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>>>Looks like you've struck a nerve, Bill. please keep going, Our
>>>fertiliser
>>>salesman friend, will and does tell people want they want to hear, as
>>>you say a true "spin doctor"
>>>As for sue'ing your good self for Liable, while he might win, he might
>>>also loose, and the question he should really ask himself is "can he
>>>afford
>>>to loose"
>>>Then he freely admits he does not personal own or use the products he
>>>sells. which hardly inspires confidence in the products
>>>
>>>But at the end of the day, he can promote himself all he likes, and of
>>>cause
>>>he will tell people just how wonderful business is. He can hardly tell the
>>>truth, which would no doubt inspire confidence NOT. The truth is the
>>>Blue-ray market is small, very small in fact.
>>>And how many people out there promote themselfs, right up to the day
>>>before they go broke. HIH comes to mind.
>>>
>>>This quote, typifies his rhetoric, which is a nice way of saying, he's a
>>>bloody liar, but then so are most "spin doctors"
>>>Quote from God,,,For those that are buying HDTV sets in the millions
>>>they
>>>want devices to get the full impact of viewing pleasure 'unquote'
>>
>> There are 7 billion people on the planet. In Australia up to about one
>> year ago 600,000 wide screen tv set swere sold and that was one year
>> ago. World wide sales are in the millions.
>
>I think your figures are questionable, when you remember that our
>population is only something like 21 million, and while the take-up of
>wide screen TV's in the cities might well be huge, the country areas are
>considerably lower. but then with a national credit card dept, of
>something like $4000.00 [conservative] per head of population anything is
>possable. Our "live now, pay later" attitude doesn't help
>
>>>Which is an out right lie, due to the fact that we in Australia have a
>>>very
>>>small market for electronics' and total lack the ability to request,
>>
>> I never said Australia only in that quote as you well know.
>>
>>>order, or even ask for products that suit this country. Unlike the
>>>USA, who can dictate to manufacturers just what they want and need,
>>>and
>>>with 40 million TV set sales annually, no manufacturer can ignore there
>>>requests. Unlike here where many of the worlds leading makers simply
>>>refuse
>>>to except the fact that there is a viable market. Companies like Nokia
>>>[phones excepted] refuse to supply electronics', as they don't
>>>consider the sales would warrant the set up costs, or opening
>>>dealerships here. Metz are the same. with only a few Hi-end importers
>>>importing a few hundred sets a year. If that.
>>>
>>>As for the blue-ray thing, while it might well survive, it will remain
>>>a
>>>very small boutique market, semi hi-end product, while Mum and the kids
>>>can buy a $38 DVD player and a selection of $5 DVD's from Woollies.
>>
>> I've always said that new technology is expensive and over time it
>> gets cheaper an dwhen it does people buy that new technology.
>>
>> DVD when it first came out was more expensive than Blu-Ray is now.
>> The first DVD burner from Pioneer in 1997 was $8000+ AUS and 11 years
>> later they are down to about $45.
>
> $6000. actually, there was a review in the SMH "the guide" the thing was

Maybe $6000 US but the Perth Pioneer supplier and the other suppliers
had the price at $8000 right up to when the Pioneer DVR-A03 came out
which was prices at $2500.

>very complex, it worked out just how much space was left on the disc, then
>calculated the recording speed to fill the disc, if space was short. It
>was also a big heavy thing, and the take up was minimul to say the least,
>Some people also thought that they made a simply recording structer, even
>more complex. And also at that time Copyright was payable on each blank
>disc sold. In fact it did not get cheaper until they over came that hurdle.
>Then off cause the flood gates opened and the rest is history.
>>
>> Blu-Ray burners on releases were about $1500 AUS and now they are down
>> to about $500 AUS which is only about a year or so later. No doubt at
>> all over time Blu-Ray burners will get down to what DVD burners are
>> now. The first CD burners cost an arm and a leg as well.
>>
>>>
>>>As for all the stuff our friend goes on about, with regard to recording
>>>media, What's available, what's coming, etc. it might just be an idea,
>>>if
>>>the recordable content was to improve first. It's quite logical to
>>>expect Mum, to spend $5 on a DVD, before she spends her housekeeping
>>>money of a Hard drive, with all the bells and whistles, to record the same
>>>thing.
>>
>> To get 2 hours of HD onto a single DVD disc there simeply isn't enough
>> room.
>
>That statement is quite interesting, as you talk about Blue-ray recoding,
>in a matter of fact way, but fail to say where these recordings are
>coming from. Or to put it simply. Where do you intend to find the mediem
>to record in the first place. When you consider that the so-called
>dismal pay-services, have not started a HD service yet, and when they do
>it will be encrypted to suit only there hard disk recorders, or are you
>renting HD films, and then copying them.
>Also another hurdle, is that satellite receivers are structered completly
>differantly , then the normal DVB MPEG 2 receiver, using MPEG 4, with much
>higher Forward error correction [FEC] Something which a normal DVB
>recorder does not have, And these are just starting to appear. Humax have
>one such unit, which is quite reasonable at $400. But to date very
>little is in the way of HD material is out there and even less with
>English Audio is available.
>
>> To have a hard drive requires a PC which also costs money.
>> Everything costs something.
>
>not quite correct, Stand alone hard drive units are now on the market..

I assumed you were talking about a PC.
There are those Dvico type devices that hold hard drives.
The Dvico are $500+ for the unit. There are some other devices at
about $100 which play DivX files. I looked into that myself and
decided I rather use a DVD recorder.

>
>> The ones with the HDTV sets are buying HD PVR's, Blu-Ray and so on as
>> they want to take advantage of what they have bought otherwise wjat is
>> the point in buying HDTV.
>
>True, it's really a case of "All or nothing"
>>
>> Once you see a HDTV set an dhav ethe money people the world over are
>> buying them and a sthey get even cheaper sales will go through the
>> roof.
>>
>> Amf I have no doubt at all when Blu-Ray burners get very cheap like
>> DVD is that you too will move to Blu-Ray and this will all be
>> forgotton just like on the HD-DVD threads a while back where only a
>> very few of us knew that Blu-Ray was going to win where most in here
>> stated that HD-DVD would win and were calling me very similar
>> statements in here. I suppose its the price I must pay for been
>> correct and because I was correct and had the guts to post why I
>> thought Blu-Ray was going to win at the end of the day then that's
>> what I'll have to put up with.
>
>Consider what would happen if the Chinese now produced a HD-DVD machine
>for less then one hundred dollars, and then supplied major retaillers

Over in the US before Toshib apulled the plug there were HD-DVD
players for under $200 US.

I'd expec tto see a few sales on HD-DVD anything or maybe they are
already on Ebay.

>with 'bootleg" HD-DVD movies, at twenty bucks a throw.
>And don't say it won't happen, Chinese bootleg, CD's and normal DVD's
>are available at considerably lower costs.
>I think you will find it will knock the Blue-ray thing on it's arse, and
>the resergance in HD-DVD intrest will
>open the flood gates, people will shake the dust of there Toshiba
>machines, very quicky.

Won't happen now. No manufacturer knowing that a format has died will
try to bring it back. No one tried to bring BETA back from the dead.
No money in it for them to bring back something that has been put to
rest.

>And don't tell me it won't happen, it happened with the german "dream
>media" satellite receivers, genuine Dreamboxs retailled for something
>like $700 and $900 a throw, depending on model, the Chinese produced an
>excact copy, from the same place they constructed the original [under
>licence] for $150..

Sorry never heard of the Dreamboxes

>
>> It seems there are people in this world that love to argue for the
>> sake of arguing. I've never been tastry towards you and won't ever
>> sink to that level. I enjoy life to much for that.
>
>I am not argueing, but discussing the situation as it applies to "Jo
>Public" and unlike you I don't have tunnel vision, I can see the wider
>picture, of what people expect for there dollars.

Each to their own. I think a few are happy they listened to my advice
on HD-DVD last year and why Blu-Ray was going to win. This would hav
esaved them much heartake and frustration.

>
>>
>> Have a great weekend.
>
> I will if it stops bloody raining.
> bassett

Fine here in Perth and avery hot week ahead.
We had about 50 days straight without any rain then 47 mm a week or so
ago then mild fine weather and today (Sat) onwards its back to the
very hot weather.

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On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 18:10:50 +1100, "bassett"
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>"Richard C." <post-> wrote in message
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>> "bassett" <> wrote in message
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>>> "David Z" <> wrote in message
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>>>> Is anyone else reminded of the DVD vs DIVX wars of 1997-1999? It took
>>>> about 2 years for DVD to prevail as the winner...
>>>>
>>> Actually, DIVX is still around and players are still available, If you
>>> download movies via the net, there mostly all DIVX format.
>>>
>>> bassett
>> ========================
>> You must be new here.
>> Currend DIVX has nothing to do with the Circuit City Divx that is no
>> longer
>> made nor are the discs playable on anything anymore.
>
>
>Are you talking to me "petal'', As I've got no bloody idea what Circuit
>City is, was, or will be.
>
>All I know is that divx is the medium used for downloadable Movies.
>
> bassett
>
And if you had any brains, you would understand that you are being told
that THAT is NOT what it was originally.

Do you understand the concept of a stolen moniker?

Nighthawk wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:16:54 -0500, Alan Browne
> <> wrote:
>
>> Nighthawk wrote:

>>> I predicted this a few years ago. I would rather back this than
>>> BluRay.
>> You'll be cheerfully BluRay w/i 2 years is my guess.
>>
> Highly unlikely. I have been so convinced of the quality of DVD
> playback through my PC, Radeon video card and CRT monitor, including
> how it upscales to the 1152x864 res on my monitor that I am planning
> another PC with larger widescreen monitor, hopefully, finances
> permitting, a Dell 30" at 2560x1600 driven by the new Radeon HD 3850
> (possibly with DisplayPort) where DVD (and all other video formats)
> will have improved playback quality on what I have now, with better
> upscaling, better detail enhancement, better video deblocking, etc..
>

Well, good luck. There is a limitation to upconversion dictated by the
laws of physics. And if you are as passionate about image quality as
some of your posts suggest, then you will have to leap to true 1080p on
both playback and display. That is why I guess you'll convert w/i two
years. Which is a good proposition as the players, tv's and media
should be even further down the price curve. OTOH, discs you buy now in
DVD won't get that full advantage.

Cheers,
Alan

On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 09:58:40 -0500, Alan Browne
<> wrote:

>Nighthawk wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 21:16:54 -0500, Alan Browne
>> <> wrote:
>>
>>> Nighthawk wrote:
>
>>>> I predicted this a few years ago. I would rather back this than
>>>> BluRay.
>>> You'll be cheerfully BluRay w/i 2 years is my guess.
>>>
>> Highly unlikely. I have been so convinced of the quality of DVD
>> playback through my PC, Radeon video card and CRT monitor, including
>> how it upscales to the 1152x864 res on my monitor that I am planning
>> another PC with larger widescreen monitor, hopefully, finances
>> permitting, a Dell 30" at 2560x1600 driven by the new Radeon HD 3850
>> (possibly with DisplayPort) where DVD (and all other video formats)
>> will have improved playback quality on what I have now, with better
>> upscaling, better detail enhancement, better video deblocking, etc..
>>
>
>Well, good luck. There is a limitation to upconversion dictated by the
>laws of physics. And if you are as passionate about image quality as
>some of your posts suggest, then you will have to leap to true 1080p on
>both playback and display. That is why I guess you'll convert w/i two
>years. Which is a good proposition as the players, tv's and media
>should be even further down the price curve. OTOH, discs you buy now in
>DVD won't get that full advantage.
>
I am delighted with the quality of well-authored DVDs and delight to
get the best out of them on existing equipment. But I don't get
movies just because of the quality, but because I like the movie.
Some of my favourite movies are not so hot quality-wise. I generally
don't like new movies, preferring back-catalogue titles so I think DVD
quality is going to be fine for me for the forseeable future.