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http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/

It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....want
to chat to apple help on-line? they wont let you cache, save or print
the discussion....welcome to the land of the Mac...

:/

regards

Thing

In article <jd3h15->,
thingy <> wrote:

> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>
> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
> message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....want
> to chat to apple help on-line? they wont let you cache, save or print
> the discussion....welcome to the land of the Mac...
>
> :/
>
> regards
>
> Thing

Don't play WoW, and have had zero problems with the 4 machines I use
with 10.5.1. Mind you I have never bothered with all the 3rd party hacks
and tweaks.

thingy <> wrote:

> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>
> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
> message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....

Apple have always censored their own discussion boards. This doesn't
surprise me - I expect many companies do the same thing, especially if
the content of the discussion board is indexed and can be searched
through a site-wide facility.

Easy solution: don't use Apple's discussion boards to discuss problems
with 10.5, once Apple has decided to lower the curtain on a particular
issue. There are plenty of alternatives, including ongoing dicussion on
macintouch.com and macfixit.com, and I expect on AppleInsider's forums,
MacRumors and others. Not to mention Usenet (e.g. comp.sys.mac.system),
of course.

ArsTechnica also has at least one article and subsequent comments about
a problem with laptop keyboards which seems to have appeared since 10.5
or late revisions of 10.4 (and it has happened to me twice under 10.5
but not for several months prior to that on 10.4).

> want to chat to apple help on-line? they wont let you cache, save or print
> the discussion....welcome to the land of the Mac...

I'm sure a screen shot will work fine if you really care, but that does
seem excessive.

--
David Empson

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:43:38 +1300, (David
Empson) magnanimously proffered:

>thingy <> wrote:
>
>> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>>
>> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
>> message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....
>
>Apple have always censored their own discussion boards. This doesn't
>surprise me - I expect many companies do the same thing, especially if
>the content of the discussion board is indexed and can be searched
>through a site-wide facility.

So do companies such as Jacobs Creek wines. Or at least they did a few
years ago.

After purchasing six bottles of their Reserve Shiraz and putting them
down in ideal conditions for a year or so, I found that all but one
bottle corked.

So I went to their website only to find that their "feedback" section
contained message after message praising their wines.

The message I posted was rather less complimentary and when I checked
back later that day, my message had been followed by three new
messages complaining about a similar experience with the same vintage.

By the next morning, all of those negative messages had been deleted,
leaving only those praising the wine.

So I phoned their head office in OZ and spoke to their communications
officer. I described my experience and suggested that the company's
self-serving censorship might make a good news story. But I was
quickly assured that the deletion of the negative messages was simply
a mistake and would I accept two cases of their best wine as the
company's way of saying sorry.

I'm happy to report none of the new bottles was corked.

David Empson wrote:
> thingy <> wrote:
>
>> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>>
>> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
>> message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....
>
> Apple have always censored their own discussion boards. This doesn't
> surprise me - I expect many companies do the same thing, especially if
> the content of the discussion board is indexed and can be searched
> through a site-wide facility.
>
> Easy solution: don't use Apple's discussion boards to discuss problems
> with 10.5, once Apple has decided to lower the curtain on a particular
> issue. There are plenty of alternatives, including ongoing dicussion on
> macintouch.com and macfixit.com, and I expect on AppleInsider's forums,
> MacRumors and others. Not to mention Usenet (e.g. comp.sys.mac.system),
> of course.
>
> ArsTechnica also has at least one article and subsequent comments about
> a problem with laptop keyboards which seems to have appeared since 10.5
> or late revisions of 10.4 (and it has happened to me twice under 10.5
> but not for several months prior to that on 10.4).
>
>> want to chat to apple help on-line? they wont let you cache, save or print
>> the discussion....welcome to the land of the Mac...
>
> I'm sure a screen shot will work fine if you really care, but that does
> seem excessive.
>

This year Sun invited me to comment on some of their software on their
web site....I did so commenting that out of 4 identity/sso/ldap
applications I tried I failed to get theirs to work and their support
was un-able to help me get it going....apart from recommending I install
solaris....yeah right....I notice my comments got wiped and in fact no
one else commented either....at least positively otherwise I assume
their comments would have been viewable....so either no one else
commented, or the comments were all bad....

Another large storage vendor also wanted us to be a reference site as we
bought into their kit heavily.....a condition of this was we got a
discount....We had some issues and commented that until they were sorted
we would be un-happy to be put forward as a reference site....only to be
told too late marketing has already released "our success story" and in
fact we had "won" an award (an internal one from said vendor)..........

The point is as you say, there are independent sites so if anyone thinks
a vendor, vendor's white paper or vendors site in anyway shows anything
but a glowing reference they are dreaming....credibility not....

regards

Thing

Somewhere on teh interweb Donchano typed:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:43:38 +1300, (David
> Empson) magnanimously proffered:
>
>> thingy <> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>>>
>>> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to
>>> the message boards about it and apple disables them and the
>>> threads....
>>
>> Apple have always censored their own discussion boards. This doesn't
>> surprise me - I expect many companies do the same thing, especially
>> if the content of the discussion board is indexed and can be searched
>> through a site-wide facility.
>
> So do companies such as Jacobs Creek wines. Or at least they did a few
> years ago.
>
> After purchasing six bottles of their Reserve Shiraz and putting them
> down in ideal conditions for a year or so, I found that all but one
> bottle corked.
>
> So I went to their website only to find that their "feedback" section
> contained message after message praising their wines.
>
> The message I posted was rather less complimentary and when I checked
> back later that day, my message had been followed by three new
> messages complaining about a similar experience with the same vintage.
>
> By the next morning, all of those negative messages had been deleted,
> leaving only those praising the wine.
>
> So I phoned their head office in OZ and spoke to their communications
> officer. I described my experience and suggested that the company's
> self-serving censorship might make a good news story. But I was
> quickly assured that the deletion of the negative messages was simply
> a mistake and would I accept two cases of their best wine as the
> company's way of saying sorry.
>
> I'm happy to report none of the new bottles was corked.

Ehhh, 30 pieces of silver, 24 bottles of wine... Some people sell themselves
cheaply. <g>

On the other hand, I guess the messages weren't going to be reposted so you
might as well take the grift. Oh, sorry I meant *gift*.
--
TTFN,

Shaun. (Mmmmm. Shiraz)

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:48:32 +1300, "~misfit~"
<> magnanimously proffered:

>On the other hand, I guess the messages weren't going to be reposted so you
>might as well take the grift. Oh, sorry I meant *gift*.

Never look a grift horse in the mouth ...

Somewhere on teh interweb Donchano typed:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:48:32 +1300, "~misfit~"
> <> magnanimously proffered:
>
>> On the other hand, I guess the messages weren't going to be reposted
>> so you might as well take the grift. Oh, sorry I meant *gift*.
>
> Never look a grift horse in the mouth ...

LOL. Indeed. Nice score. Shame it came at the cost of sensorship though.
Still, you weren't going to have a chance to say what you wanted on their
forums. It seems that they had a bad batch of wine and, rather than have
customers read that others with the same batch had problems and Jacob's
Creek having to potentially replace/refund hundreds/thousands of
bottles/cases they censored your post, then gave you 24 bottles when you
rang them to complain.

If people don't know about an existing problem they're far less likely to
complain. Therefore it's the old "mushroom" theory put into practice.
--
TTFN,

Shaun.

Donchano wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 13:43:38 +1300, (David
> Empson) magnanimously proffered:
>
>> thingy <> wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.tomsguide.com/us/2007/11/..._plague_apple/
>>>
>>> It seems OSX 10.5 is having some bad issues....Apple users post to the
>>> message boards about it and apple disables them and the threads....
>> Apple have always censored their own discussion boards. This doesn't
>> surprise me - I expect many companies do the same thing, especially if
>> the content of the discussion board is indexed and can be searched
>> through a site-wide facility.
>
> So do companies such as Jacobs Creek wines. Or at least they did a few
> years ago.
>
> After purchasing six bottles of their Reserve Shiraz and putting them
> down in ideal conditions for a year or so, I found that all but one
> bottle corked.
>
> So I went to their website only to find that their "feedback" section
> contained message after message praising their wines.
>
> The message I posted was rather less complimentary and when I checked
> back later that day, my message had been followed by three new
> messages complaining about a similar experience with the same vintage.
>
> By the next morning, all of those negative messages had been deleted,
> leaving only those praising the wine.
>
> So I phoned their head office in OZ and spoke to their communications
> officer. I described my experience and suggested that the company's
> self-serving censorship might make a good news story. But I was
> quickly assured that the deletion of the negative messages was simply
> a mistake and would I accept two cases of their best wine as the
> company's way of saying sorry.
>
> I'm happy to report none of the new bottles was corked.
>
You took their BRIBE? Good on yer!

Cheers,

Cliff

--

Have you ever noticed that if something is advertised as 'amusing' or
'hilarious', it usually isn't?

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:10:14 +1300, Donchano wrote:

> By the next morning, all of those negative messages had been deleted,
> leaving only those praising the wine.

That is very standard marketing practise. They do not have anything on
their website.

Surely you should have known that?


--
Jonathan Walker

"The IT industry landscape is littered with the dead
dreams of people who once trusted Microsoft."