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Allistar <> wrote:

>Mickey Mouse wrote:
>
>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>> news: ...
>>>
>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>
>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>
>No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player could
>play it.

If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..

Mutlley wrote:

> Allistar <> wrote:
>
>>Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>
>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>> news: ...
>>>>
>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>
>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>
>>No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player
>>could play it.
>
> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..

What's the point of the DRM then?
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Allistar <> wrote:

>Mutlley wrote:
>
>> Allistar <> wrote:
>>
>>>Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>>> news: ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>>
>>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>>
>>>No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player
>>>could play it.
>>
>> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..
>
>What's the point of the DRM then?

Exacly11 Apple does say somewhere that you can get around the DRM
by writing to a CDR and then importing back as a MP3 then copying to
the MP3 player of your choice

Allistar wrote:
> Mutlley wrote:
>
>> Allistar <> wrote:
>>
>>> Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>>> news: ...
>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>> No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player
>>> could play it.
>> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..
>
> What's the point of the DRM then?

To stop you from sharing it on p2p

Allistar wrote:
> sam wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allistar wrote:
>>>>> sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Aaron Lawrence wrote:
>>>>>>> On a pleasant day while strolling in nz.comp, a person
>>>>>>> by the name of Mickey Mouse exclaimed:
>>>>>>>> What price are high quality tracks on iTunes NZ? The lossless WMA
>>>>>>>> are mostly $1.75 on Digirama.
>>>>>>> 2.39
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always buy these if the option is available...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Personally I have this idea that you could buy the DRM'd
>>>>>>> track of iTunes, then download a decent quality, DRM
>>>>>>> free copy from "other sources". Ethically, this would
>>>>>>> seem OK to me, though of course its still not
>>>>>>> technically legal.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unacceptable. EOS. says RIANZ
>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>> Apparently its called piracy and means you are a thief.
>>> It can't be piracy if you paid for the download. You aren't removing any
>>> rights from the copyright holder by removing the DRM.
>>>
>>> Allistar.
>> You can't do that without making another copy which the copyright
>> agreement prohibits you from doing.
>
> What agreement is that? NZ now has fair use laws.

Not yet

sam wrote:

> Allistar wrote:
>> Mutlley wrote:
>>
>>> Allistar <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news: ...
>>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>>> No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player
>>>> could play it.
>>> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..
>>
>> What's the point of the DRM then?
>
> To stop you from sharing it on p2p

So you copy it to a CD then rip it back, removing the DRM. How does that
stop anything? DRM on audio is a fundamentally flawed technology.
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Allistar wrote:
> sam wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> Mutlley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allistar <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news: ...
>>>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ? It's not
>>>>>>> like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>>>> No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD player
>>>>> could play it.
>>>> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..
>>> What's the point of the DRM then?
>> To stop you from sharing it on p2p
>
> So you copy it to a CD then rip it back, removing the DRM. How does that
> stop anything? DRM on audio is a fundamentally flawed technology.

Sure, its just a speed bump to a committed pirate.
And an inconvenience to everyone else.

In <> Allistar wrote:
> sam wrote:
>
>> Allistar wrote:
>>> Mutlley wrote:
>>>
>>>> Allistar <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mickey Mouse wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Allistar" <> wrote in message
>>>>>> news: ...
>>>>>>> Is it illegal to strip DRM from iTunes provided songs in NZ?
>>>>>>> It's not like we have a DMCA style law.
>>>>>> Does burning to a CD count as "stripping" DRM?
>>>>> No, but if yo burn a DRM encumbered file to a CD I doubt any CD
>>>>> player could play it.
>>>> If your talking itunes to CD they play fine..
>>>
>>> What's the point of the DRM then?
>>
>> To stop you from sharing it on p2p
>
> So you copy it to a CD then rip it back, removing the DRM. How does
> that stop anything?

They rely on the fact that it takes time to do it, and if you recompress
the music you'll lose fidelity.


> DRM on audio is a fundamentally flawed technology.

You know that, I know that, and Apple knows that, but the suits at the
music publishers refuse to believe it.

Software piracy was a big problem long before the Internet was available.
No DRM system will ever stop peer-to-peer sharing, since it only needs
to be broken once to create a seed file, but it will stop a lot of
casual copying e.g. friends swapping music.

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