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Tony
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      08-18-2007
[root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66



[root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
max, 38 byte packets
1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms
0.355 ms
2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8. 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
0.479 ms
4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
ms 1.479 ms
5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
24.089 ms
6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
ms 23.844 ms
7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
9 *
 
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      08-18-2007
Tony wrote:
> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
> pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66
>
> [root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
> traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
> max, 38 byte packets
> 1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms 0.355 ms
> 2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8. 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
> 3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
> 0.479 ms
> 4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
> ms 1.479 ms
> 5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
> 24.089 ms
> 6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
> ms 23.844 ms
> 7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
> 8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
> gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
> gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
> 9 *


Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.
 
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      08-18-2007
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:

> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz
> pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for pop3.tnz.yahoo.com.
> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com.
> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has address 124.108.96.66
>
>
>
> [root@host11 ~]# traceroute pop3.xtra.co.nz
> traceroute to pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66), 30 hops
> max, 38 byte packets
> 1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.401 ms 0.401 ms
> 0.355 ms
> 2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8. 0.608 ms 0.445 ms 0.484 ms
> 3 Gi9-1.gw1.AKL1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.489 ms 0.580 ms
> 0.479 ms
> 4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.735 ms 59.904
> ms 1.479 ms
> 5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.844 ms 23.702 ms
> 24.089 ms
> 6 po12-2.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.126) 23.972 ms 24.343
> ms 23.844 ms
> 7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.467 ms 24.647 ms 25.588 ms
> 8 gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.968 ms
> gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.133 ms
> gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.567 ms
> 9 *



Well, not for certain, but probably. They are storing your email at that
address, but the mail servers aren't necessarily there. Yahoo are
certainly managing all mail for them, but...

$ dig mx xtra.co.nz

; <<>> DiG 9.3.4 <<>> mx xtra.co.nz
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 54943
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;xtra.co.nz. IN MX

;; ANSWER SECTION:
xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 10 mx1.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.
xtra.co.nz. 300 IN MX 20 mx2.tnz.mail.yahoo.com.

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS terminator.xtra.co.nz.
xtra.co.nz. 86400 IN NS alien.xtra.co.nz.

;; Query time: 373 msec
;; SERVER: 10.0.0.201#53(10.0.0.201)
;; WHEN: Sat Aug 18 15:13:39 2007
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 131


So there are 2 mail servers in use by xtra. mx1 and mx2. Both point to the
same IP address, 124.108.96.67. This reports to be running ysmtp software,
which is as far as I know, yahoo's own.

However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
(ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
Oz, but hidden.

Steve
 
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Jonathan Walker
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      08-18-2007
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:

> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
> address 124.108.96.66


That's called "outsourcing".


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Jonathan Walker
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      08-18-2007
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:42:27 +1200, Mark Robinson wrote:

> Which neatly circumvents all our privacy and surveillance laws.


No it doesn't.

Telecom must obey the law, and the contract that they have agreed.

The fact that Telecom has outsourced it's SMTP server does not remove from
it the obligation to honour it's legal and contractural obligations.


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Lawrence D'Oliveiro
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      08-18-2007
In message <fa5ot8$ob6$(E-Mail Removed)>, Steve wrote:

> So there are 2 mail servers in use by xtra. mx1 and mx2. Both point to the
> same IP address, 124.108.96.67.
>
> However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
> one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
> (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
> Oz, but hidden.


Interesting. According to the latest version of
<ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest>, that IP
address is in a range assigned to region code "AP". But there's no such
country or TLD.
 
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Jonathan Walker
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      08-18-2007
On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:41:26 +1200, Mickey Mouse wrote:

> I would think Asia-Pacific is a logical region code, even if domain names
> aren't assigned along similar lines to the EU.


Given that internet usage in Asia is growing quickly I think that it is
now time for IP addresses to be assigned to countries rather than to the
nebulous "asia pacific" region.


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      08-18-2007
"Lawrence D'Oliveiro" <(E-Mail Removed)_zealand> wrote in message
news:fa5rom$4v1$(E-Mail Removed)...
> In message <fa5ot8$ob6$(E-Mail Removed)>, Steve wrote:
>
> Interesting. According to the latest version of
> <ftp://ftp.apnic.net/public/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest>, that IP
> address is in a range assigned to region code "AP". But there's no such
> country or TLD.


I would think Asia-Pacific is a logical region code, even if domain names
aren't assigned along similar lines to the EU.

 
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Tony
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      08-18-2007

> However, attempts at geolocation of the servers actually fails - although
> one of the services says it's in Hong Kong, and a somewhat smarter one
> (ipaddresslocation.org ) supports your theory, and puts it somewhere on
> Oz, but hidden.
>


Look at the trace, I would be extremely surprised if that was not in
Australia -

[root@galaxian ~]# tcptraceroute 124.108.96.66 110
traceroute to 124.108.96.66 (124.108.96.66), 30 hops max, 110 byte packets
1 fe-1-1-0-213-jcore3.wxnz.net (58.28.96.17) 0.703 ms 10.361 ms
10.392 ms
2 ge-0-0-0-akl-core1.wxnz.net (58.28.8. 0.512 ms 0.630 ms 0.539 ms
3 Gi9-1.gw1.akl1.asianetcom.net (203.192.166.105) 0.527 ms 0.373 ms
0.493 ms
4 ip-202.147.55.210.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.210) 0.644 ms 0.710
ms 0.758 ms
5 po4-0.cr2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.55.254) 23.532 ms 23.707
ms 23.675 ms
6 po12-1.gw2.syd1.asianetcom.net (202.147.40.122) 24.133 ms 23.718
ms 23.708 ms
7 202.167.228.35 (202.167.228.35) 24.714 ms 25.041 ms 25.151 ms
8 gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.781 ms
gi1-1.bas2.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.206) 24.638 ms
gi1-2.bas1.aue.yahoo.com (203.84.216.210) 24.835 ms
9 pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com (124.108.96.66) 168.982 ms
168.917 ms 165.367 ms
[root@galaxian ~]#
 
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      08-18-2007
Jonathan Walker wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 14:29:41 +1200, Tony wrote:
>
>> [root@host11 ~]# host pop3.xtra.co.nz pop3.xtra.co.nz is an alias for
>> pop3.tnz.yahoo.com. pop3.tnz.yahoo.com is an alias for
>> pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com. pop1.tnz.mail.vip.aue.yahoo.com has
>> address 124.108.96.66

>
> That's called "outsourcing".
>
>


Outsourcing a core competency of a company is rarely a good move for the
companies customers. If Xtra can't do email, well I guess they are good
at making ads.. nope outsourced.. how about helpdesk.. nope
outsourced... well network.. no outsourced (to Telecom)... hmm
 
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