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In message <>, Ralph Fox wrote:

> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:22 +1200, in message
> <f9gkl2$1au$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> As you may or may not know, daylight saving is starting a week earlier
>> this year, on September 30th. I was just wondering which people's OSes
>> were up to date.
>
> For Windows 9x users

[Registry-munging instructions omitted]

By the way, anybody who thinks the Windows system for keeping track of time
zones makes any kind of sense might like to read this
<http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.time.tz/1736>.

The question was: how to map between standard timezone names in the Olson
database and timezones used in Windows. The answer is: there is no simple
way to do it. If you use localized names, then of course those vary between
different language editions of Windows. And if you use internal Registry
keys, then those vary between different versions of Dimdows. So either way,
you've got a real job on your hands. Fun, isn't it?

Rob S wrote:

> Shane wrote:
>> Steven Ellis wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 3:43 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@geek-
>>> central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
>>>> In message <f9gkl2$1a...@lust.ihug.co.nz>, I wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> OpenSuSE 10.2 doesn't seem to have any updated timezone package as
>>>>> yet. Nor does Debian 4.0.
>>>> Actually this is no big deal. It's easy enough to get updated zoneinfo
>>>> sources from <http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm> -- it's
>>>> the "australasia" file we particularly want. For some reason the "Zone"
>>>> lines for "NZ" and "NZ-CHAT" are commented out and need to be
>>>> uncommented; then just compile that file with the zic utility, and it
>>>> will automatically place the updated results in your
>>>> /usr/share/zoneinfo directory.
>>>>
>>>> Whether you need to do anything more depends on whether your
>>>> /etc/localtime file is a copy of /usr/share/zoneinfo/NZ, or a symlink;
>>>> if it's a symlink, then there's nothing more to do. Otherwise the copy
>>>> needs to be recopied--or just change it to a symlink while you're at
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> I've just done this on a couple of SuSE 10.0 machines.
>>>
>>> Redhat have released patches for enterpirse.
>>>
>>> Debian has a release in volatile at the moment.
>>>
>>> Ubuntu have releases pending.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>
>> Dapper already has it correct.
>> shane@laptop:~$ date -d "+49 days"
>> Fri Sep 28 20:31:50 NZST 2007
>> shane@laptop:~$ date -d "+51 days"
>> Sun Sep 30 21:31:58 NZDT 2007
>>
> I've just done dist-upgrade today on Ubuntu, so now 7.10 gutsy tribe
> alpha 3 and daylight saving is correct.
>
> (compiz fusion installed by default. No spinning box, has the desktop
> wall instead)

Do you prefer te desktop wall over the desktop cube? I use the cube and fell
for my uses the "wall" may be better. I used to think eye-candy was
pointless, but not after installing Beryl (on gentoo linux, triple head
setup). It sounds silly, but having my windows burn up in flames when I
close them lightens my mood when I'm working.

Allistar.

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:

> In message <>, Allistar
> wrote:
>
>> (Gentoo doesn't really have versions as such).
>
> I'm not so sure, because there are different versions of
> /etc/make.profile. When I changed mine from 2006.0 to 2006.1, the next
> time I tried to emerge something, it reported a whole bunch of stuff out
> of date and upgraded that as well.

Aren't profiles more to do with what USE flags are enabled by default?

Do you know of way to find out all packages that could be updated? It
seems "emerge world" doesn't catch all.

Allistar.

In message <46bd86e1$>, EMB wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>> In message <>, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:22 +1200, in message
>>> <f9gkl2$1au$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> As you may or may not know, daylight saving is starting a week earlier
>>>> this year, on September 30th. I was just wondering which people's OSes
>>>> were up to date.
>>> For Windows 9x users
>>>
>> [Registry-munging instructions omitted]
>>
>> WARNING: editing the Dimdows Registry can DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM, to the
>> point where the only way to recover is to REFORMAT AND REINSTALL. PROCEED
>> AT YOUR OWN PERIL.
>
> More FUD from LDO

Make up your mind. The last time I said something similar
<http://groups.google.co.nz/groups?selm=1185172993.71185@ftpsrv1>, I had an
acknowledged Dimdows fanboy agree that I was right. Yet here you are saying
that's wrong. One of you must be lying, but which one?

In message <Bv->, Allistar wrote:

> Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
>> In message <>, Allistar
>> wrote:
>>
>>> (Gentoo doesn't really have versions as such).
>>
>> I'm not so sure, because there are different versions of
>> /etc/make.profile. When I changed mine from 2006.0 to 2006.1, the next
>> time I tried to emerge something, it reported a whole bunch of stuff out
>> of date and upgraded that as well.
>
> Aren't profiles more to do with what USE flags are enabled by default?

No, USE flags can be configured in /etc/portage/package.use. Or directly set
on the command line with

USE=<blah> emerge <package> ...

(not recommended because you can lose track of what USE settings you
installed each package with).

> Do you know of way to find out all packages that could be updated? It
> seems "emerge world" doesn't catch all.

Don't know. Have you tried checking the Gentoo handbook? Maybe I should do
it myself.

Allistar wrote:
> Rob S wrote:
>
>> Shane wrote:
>>> Steven Ellis wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Aug 10, 3:43 pm, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <l...@geek-
>>>> central.gen.new_zealand> wrote:
>>>>> In message <f9gkl2$1a...@lust.ihug.co.nz>, I wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> OpenSuSE 10.2 doesn't seem to have any updated timezone package as
>>>>>> yet. Nor does Debian 4.0.
>>>>> Actually this is no big deal. It's easy enough to get updated zoneinfo
>>>>> sources from <http://www.twinsun.com/tz/tz-link.htm> -- it's
>>>>> the "australasia" file we particularly want. For some reason the "Zone"
>>>>> lines for "NZ" and "NZ-CHAT" are commented out and need to be
>>>>> uncommented; then just compile that file with the zic utility, and it
>>>>> will automatically place the updated results in your
>>>>> /usr/share/zoneinfo directory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whether you need to do anything more depends on whether your
>>>>> /etc/localtime file is a copy of /usr/share/zoneinfo/NZ, or a symlink;
>>>>> if it's a symlink, then there's nothing more to do. Otherwise the copy
>>>>> needs to be recopied--or just change it to a symlink while you're at
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just done this on a couple of SuSE 10.0 machines.
>>>> Redhat have released patches for enterpirse.
>>>>
>>>> Debian has a release in volatile at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Ubuntu have releases pending.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>> Dapper already has it correct.
>>> shane@laptop:~$ date -d "+49 days"
>>> Fri Sep 28 20:31:50 NZST 2007
>>> shane@laptop:~$ date -d "+51 days"
>>> Sun Sep 30 21:31:58 NZDT 2007
>>>
>> I've just done dist-upgrade today on Ubuntu, so now 7.10 gutsy tribe
>> alpha 3 and daylight saving is correct.
>>
>> (compiz fusion installed by default. No spinning box, has the desktop
>> wall instead)
>
> Do you prefer te desktop wall over the desktop cube? I use the cube and fell
> for my uses the "wall" may be better. I used to think eye-candy was
> pointless, but not after installing Beryl (on gentoo linux, triple head
> setup). It sounds silly, but having my windows burn up in flames when I
> close them lightens my mood when I'm working.
>
> Allistar.

I've used the cube in earlier iterations, but I'm finding the wall
better suited to my way of working. I'm not really a fan of the flames
either, wobbles & squirms is more my style

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On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:15:30 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<_zealand> wrote:

>In message <>, Ralph Fox wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:22 +1200, in message
>> <f9gkl2$1au$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>>> As you may or may not know, daylight saving is starting a week earlier
>>> this year, on September 30th. I was just wondering which people's OSes
>>> were up to date.
>>
>> For Windows 9x users
>>
>[Registry-munging instructions omitted]
>
>WARNING: editing the Dimdows Registry can DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM, to the point
>where the only way to recover is to REFORMAT AND REINSTALL. PROCEED AT YOUR
>OWN PERIL.

I've edited Win9x registries hundreds of times.
Never had this problem yet.

And why the strange comment about the "only way to recover".
By default there are 5 backup versions of the registry.
You just start up with the "command prompt only" option, run scanreg,
and restore a previous version.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 21:01:09 +1200, Ross <>
wrote in <news: >:

> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:15:30 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:22 +1200, in message
>>> <f9gkl2$1au$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> As you may or may not know, daylight saving is starting a week earlier
>>>> this year, on September 30th. I was just wondering which people's OSes
>>>> were up to date.
>>>
>>> For Windows 9x users
>>>
>>[Registry-munging instructions omitted]
>>
>>WARNING: editing the Dimdows Registry can DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM, to the point
>>where the only way to recover is to REFORMAT AND REINSTALL. PROCEED AT YOUR
>>OWN PERIL.
>
> I've edited Win9x registries hundreds of times.
> Never had this problem yet.
>
> And why the strange comment about the "only way to recover".
> By default there are 5 backup versions of the registry.
> You just start up with the "command prompt only" option, run scanreg,
> and restore a previous version.

With him being a dedicated Windows-basher (which he obviously is from the
phraseology used), more than the most superficial knowledge about what he
is bashing may be far too much to expect.

--
Nicolaas.


.... Do not try to catch a dropped cactus.

In message <>, Ross wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Aug 2007 20:15:30 +1200, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> wrote:
>
>>In message <>, Ralph Fox wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:22 +1200, in message
>>> <f9gkl2$1au$>, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>>> As you may or may not know, daylight saving is starting a week earlier
>>>> this year, on September 30th. I was just wondering which people's OSes
>>>> were up to date.
>>>
>>> For Windows 9x users
>>>
>>[Registry-munging instructions omitted]
>>
>>WARNING: editing the Dimdows Registry can DESTROY YOUR SYSTEM, to the
>>point where the only way to recover is to REFORMAT AND REINSTALL. PROCEED
>>AT YOUR OWN PERIL.
>
> I've edited Win9x registries hundreds of times.
> Never had this problem yet.
>
> And why the strange comment about the "only way to recover".
> By default there are 5 backup versions of the registry.
> You just start up with the "command prompt only" option, run scanreg,
> and restore a previous version.

Perhaps because 99% of Windows users wouldn't have a clue what you're
talking about? So most of the time, once the Registry is damaged, that's
the end of your system.