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"Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ‹ we did that to
address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
rollout."

whoisthis <> wrote:

>
>http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>
>"Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ‹ we did that to
>address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>rollout."

Wonder what sort of money that will cost them??

whoisthis wrote:

>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>
> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ‹ we did that to
> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
> rollout."


I've just been reading a thread about this on a LUG mailing list.
http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9275100,00.htm
The eQ program in general is designed to deliver more efficient information
for the airline, which has a complex structure with multiple segmented
internal businesses using different approaches.

The new platform for the project will be based around Oracle's 11i database
and applications, Hyperion's financial management and consolidation tools
and a Teradata data warehouse. Oracle flagged its plans to buy Hyperion in
early March this year.

Oracle has long been a vocal promoter of Linux as a core platform for large
enterprises. Qantas's original plans called for a totally Oracle-based
solution, but that was subsequently shifted to a multi-vendor approach to
better match Qantas's specific needs, according to Young.

__EOP__
It *looks* like AIX is being touted as more stable for the applications they
are using.
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Mutlley wrote:
> whoisthis <> wrote:
>
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>>
>> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ‹ we did that to
>> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>> rollout."
>
> Wonder what sort of money that will cost them??

Quite a bit, but, depends....what does downtime cost them?

We moved our financial stuff from Sun kit to Linux on Dell and actually
have more downtime...this is not Linux's fault but actually the flaky
Oracle RAC software and its kernel modules.......Having a big AIX box is
simpler and should be a lot more stable (than multiple Linux Boxes using
RAC), not necessarily because AIX is significantly more stable as a OS
(than Linux) but because its simpler and because the application on top
of it will be........

There is a lot here that is not said....cant really draw a true
conclusion....but my experience suggests its almost certainly not Linux,
and given the quality of x86 server s these days not hardware......3rd
party commercial software on Linux though has proved the bain of my life
in the last three years....

regards

Thing

Shane wrote:
> whoisthis wrote:
>
>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>>
>> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment � we did that to
>> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>> rollout."
>
>
> I've just been reading a thread about this on a LUG mailing list.
> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9275100,00.htm
> The eQ program in general is designed to deliver more efficient information
> for the airline, which has a complex structure with multiple segmented
> internal businesses using different approaches.
>
> The new platform for the project will be based around Oracle's 11i database
> and applications, Hyperion's financial management and consolidation tools
> and a Teradata data warehouse. Oracle flagged its plans to buy Hyperion in
> early March this year.
>
> Oracle has long been a vocal promoter of Linux as a core platform for large
> enterprises. Qantas's original plans called for a totally Oracle-based
> solution, but that was subsequently shifted to a multi-vendor approach to
> better match Qantas's specific needs, according to Young.
>
> __EOP__
> It *looks* like AIX is being touted as more stable for the applications they
> are using.
>
The back story rumour I heard is that the programmers are blaming the
software for the problems and the software suppliers are blaming the
programmers. Did I hear someone say 'INCIS'? The move to AIX is a move
to a fully 'supported' platform and the idea is that this should show if
it is the programmers or the software.

The gods be with them, I say. What will really happen is that they will
get a bunch of new problems.

Cheers,

Cliff

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In article <46365ba0$>, Enkidu <> wrote:
(snip)
>The back story rumour I heard is that the programmers are blaming the
>software for the problems and the software suppliers are blaming the
>programmers. Did I hear someone say 'INCIS'? The move to AIX is a move
>to a fully 'supported' platform and the idea is that this should show if
>it is the programmers or the software.
>
>The gods be with them, I say. What will really happen is that they will
>get a bunch of new problems.

Yep ... and without any history of what might be causing them

On Tue, 01 May 2007 09:12:05 +1200, Enkidu <>
exclaimed:

>Shane wrote:
>> whoisthis wrote:
>>
>>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>>>
>>> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>>> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>>> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>>> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ? we did that to
>>> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>>> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>>> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>>> rollout."
>>
>>
>> I've just been reading a thread about this on a LUG mailing list.
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9275100,00.htm
>> The eQ program in general is designed to deliver more efficient information
>> for the airline, which has a complex structure with multiple segmented
>> internal businesses using different approaches.
>>
>> The new platform for the project will be based around Oracle's 11i database
>> and applications, Hyperion's financial management and consolidation tools
>> and a Teradata data warehouse. Oracle flagged its plans to buy Hyperion in
>> early March this year.
>>
>> Oracle has long been a vocal promoter of Linux as a core platform for large
>> enterprises. Qantas's original plans called for a totally Oracle-based
>> solution, but that was subsequently shifted to a multi-vendor approach to
>> better match Qantas's specific needs, according to Young.
>>
>> __EOP__
>> It *looks* like AIX is being touted as more stable for the applications they
>> are using.
> >
>The back story rumour I heard is that the programmers are blaming the
>software for the problems and the software suppliers are blaming the
>programmers. Did I hear someone say 'INCIS'? The move to AIX is a move
>to a fully 'supported' platform and the idea is that this should show if
>it is the programmers or the software.
>
>The gods be with them, I say. What will really happen is that they will
>get a bunch of new problems.

Either that, or they would prefer the base of their operations to be
running on a fully supported commercial operating system, rather than
one built up by bunch of part-time hacks in their spare time.

Really, who could blame them?

Fred Dagg wrote:
> On Tue, 01 May 2007 09:12:05 +1200, Enkidu <>
> exclaimed:
>
>> Shane wrote:
>>> whoisthis wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>>>>
>>>> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>>>> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>>>> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>>>> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment ? we did that to
>>>> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>>>> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>>>> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>>>> rollout."
>>>
>>> I've just been reading a thread about this on a LUG mailing list.
>>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9275100,00.htm
>>> The eQ program in general is designed to deliver more efficient information
>>> for the airline, which has a complex structure with multiple segmented
>>> internal businesses using different approaches.
>>>
>>> The new platform for the project will be based around Oracle's 11i database
>>> and applications, Hyperion's financial management and consolidation tools
>>> and a Teradata data warehouse. Oracle flagged its plans to buy Hyperion in
>>> early March this year.
>>>
>>> Oracle has long been a vocal promoter of Linux as a core platform for large
>>> enterprises. Qantas's original plans called for a totally Oracle-based
>>> solution, but that was subsequently shifted to a multi-vendor approach to
>>> better match Qantas's specific needs, according to Young.
>>>
>>> __EOP__
>>> It *looks* like AIX is being touted as more stable for the applications they
>>> are using.
>>>
>> The back story rumour I heard is that the programmers are blaming the
>> software for the problems and the software suppliers are blaming the
>> programmers. Did I hear someone say 'INCIS'? The move to AIX is a move
>> to a fully 'supported' platform and the idea is that this should show if
>> it is the programmers or the software.
>>
>> The gods be with them, I say. What will really happen is that they will
>> get a bunch of new problems.
>
> Either that, or they would prefer the base of their operations to be
> running on a fully supported commercial operating system, rather than
> one built up by bunch of part-time hacks in their spare time.
>
> Really, who could blame them?

troll....you are beginning to sound as bad as woger.....

regards

Thing

In article <>,
Fred Dagg <> wrote:
>
>Either that, or they would prefer the base of their operations to be
>running on a fully supported commercial operating system, rather than
>one built up by bunch of part-time hacks in their spare time.
>
>Really, who could blame them?

Blame is what it's all about. Qantas are demonstrating standard risk averse
behaviour. If it doesn't work they want someone they can blame, and beat
with a financial / legal stick until it's fixed. It's a valid course of
action for a company to decide that IT is not their core business and have
the whole system supplied (and backed with support) by one or two big
vendors instead of assembling it themselves.

Put another way, it has little to do with Linux's technical fitness for the
job. It has a lot to do with its support. Sure, you can get supported
versions of Linux, but good luck trying to get the Oracle support
organisation to work whole-heartedly with the Linux support organisation. At
least with IBM and Oracle you can drop any problem squarely in their laps
and be confident that they won't shrug their shoulders and say "somebody
else's problem."

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On Tue, 01 May 2007 09:12:05 +1200, Enkidu wrote:

> Shane wrote:
>> whoisthis wrote:
>>
>>> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/04/30/0423254.shtml
>>>
>>> "Australia's No. 1 airline Qantas will shift their underlying platform
>>> running its internal finance systems from Linux to IBM's AIX next month
>>> as part of a wide-ranging technology transformation project. 'We're
>>> moving from a Linux platform to an IBM AIX environment we did that to
>>> address some stability issues we were having', said Suzanne Young,
>>> Qantas group general manager for finance improvement and segmentation.
>>> The decision was made last year, as part of the planning for the
>>> rollout."
>>
>>
>> I've just been reading a thread about this on a LUG mailing list.
>> http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/softwar...9275100,00.htm
>> The eQ program in general is designed to deliver more efficient information
>> for the airline, which has a complex structure with multiple segmented
>> internal businesses using different approaches.
>>
>> The new platform for the project will be based around Oracle's 11i database
>> and applications, Hyperion's financial management and consolidation tools
>> and a Teradata data warehouse. Oracle flagged its plans to buy Hyperion in
>> early March this year.
>>
>> Oracle has long been a vocal promoter of Linux as a core platform for large
>> enterprises. Qantas's original plans called for a totally Oracle-based
>> solution, but that was subsequently shifted to a multi-vendor approach to
>> better match Qantas's specific needs, according to Young.
>>

>> It *looks* like AIX is being touted as more stable for the applications they
>> are using.
> >
> The back story rumour I heard is that the programmers are blaming the
> software for the problems and the software suppliers are blaming the
> programmers. Did I hear someone say 'INCIS'? The move to AIX is a move
> to a fully 'supported' platform and the idea is that this should show if
> it is the programmers or the software.
>
> The gods be with them, I say. What will really happen is that they will
> get a bunch of new problems.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Cliff

INCIS would have worked fine if the original IBM O/S2 platform had been
adhered to, instead, some high-ranking totally clueless members of the
NZP decided half-way thru the contract to change it to Ms Windows, then Bill
Birch got involved, and then IBM knew it was an early turkey for xmas.
The blame rests squarely with the idiots who had too much say and too
little knowledge. The hardware and software that was being provided
for INCIS was quite adequate. Having worked in the NZP as a computer
specialist for 35 years, I saw it happen time and time again. The Wanganui
computer system, first based on Univac (Unisys) then Unix, was phased
out too quickly imho.
brianM