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On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install

This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't sound
as controversial would it?

"Nathan Mercer" <> wrote in message
news: oups.com...
> On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
>
> This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't sound
> as controversial would it?
>
>
A helpful inclusion by Microsoft perhaps Nathan?

On 12 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800, "Nathan Mercer" <>
wrote:

>On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
>
>This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't sound
>as controversial would it?


If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told no
one about it ?

Patrick

In article <>,
Patrick FitzGerald <> wrote:
>
>If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told no
>one about it ?

Probably because when it comes to activation time, their records will show
if you've previously activated a copy of XP? Or they might just have felt
like trusting you (*), like IBM trusted people who bought the
upgrade version instead of the full version of OS/2 Warp 4. The media was
identical, the only difference was the words printed on the license.

(*) A good slogan for a Tui billboard?

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
"New interface closely resembles Presentation Manager,
preparing you for the wonders of OS/2!"
-- Advertisement on the box for Microsoft Windows 2.11 for 286

In article <>,
says...
> On 12 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800, "Nathan Mercer" <>
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
> >
> >This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't sound
> >as controversial would it?
>
>
> If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told no
> one about it ?

What is there to tell? Other MS OS's (indeed other OS's) have done
exactly the same thing in the past - you just need the original media
(and actually have it installed). I think it goes back to about Windows
3.x! I think IBM did it too (OS/2).

--
Duncan

On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:21:00 +1300, Patrick FitzGerald wrote:

> If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told no
> one about it ?

LOL!

One of those bugs that is now presented as a "feature".


--
Dianthus Mimulus

Microsoft's business practises exposed in court:
http://www.maxframe.com/DR/Info/full...#_Toc447960918

Dave Doe wrote:
> In article <>,
> says...
> > On 12 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800, "Nathan Mercer" <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > > http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
> > >
> > > This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't
> > > sound as controversial would it?
> >
> >
> > If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told
> > no one about it ?
>
> What is there to tell? Other MS OS's (indeed other OS's) have done
> exactly the same thing in the past - you just need the original media
> (and actually have it installed). I think it goes back to about
> Windows
> 3.x! I think IBM did it too (OS/2).

I remember installing Windows 95 upgrade in the first week that it came out.
I did a clean install on a freshly-formatted HDD. When it said it was an
upgrade and couldn't find a previous version I just put install disk 1 of
Windows 3.11 in the floppy drive and 'pointed' to it. The install then
proceeded without a hitch.
--
Shaun.

"~misfit~" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Dave Doe wrote:
>> In article <>,
>> says...
>> > On 12 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800, "Nathan Mercer" <>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
>> > > > http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
>> > >
>> > > This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article wouldn't
>> > > sound as controversial would it?
>> >
>> >
>> > If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft told
>> > no one about it ?
>>
>> What is there to tell? Other MS OS's (indeed other OS's) have done
>> exactly the same thing in the past - you just need the original media
>> (and actually have it installed). I think it goes back to about
>> Windows
>> 3.x! I think IBM did it too (OS/2).
>
> I remember installing Windows 95 upgrade in the first week that it came
> out. I did a clean install on a freshly-formatted HDD. When it said it was
> an upgrade and couldn't find a previous version I just put install disk 1
> of Windows 3.11 in the floppy drive and 'pointed' to it. The install then
> proceeded without a hitch.
> --
> Shaun.
>


Hi Shaun,

I understand with Vista you can use an upgrade disk to install a 30 day
trial copy by not typing in the install key, then immediately after the
install finishes, before you activate, put the disk back in the drive and
proceed with another install using the key, and Vista will accept the
30 day trial as proof that you already had an appropriate O/S.
The whole point of that is that you can use the upgrade disk on a formatted
drive.
I believe the same can be done with XP. If you only have an upgrade
disk for XP, you can "borrow" a full install disk from a friend, use it to
install the o/s on your freshly formatted h/d WITHOUT ACTIVATING
the friends installed copy, then use your upgrade disk to upgrade to that
version of XP using your install key. It works if the friends full install
disk is service pack one and your upgrade disk is service pack 2 or later.

The Biker wrote:
> "~misfit~" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > Dave Doe wrote:
> > > In article <>,
> > > says...
> > > > On 12 Feb 2007 10:16:49 -0800, "Nathan Mercer"
> > > > <> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 12, 2:10 am, "The Biker" <thebi...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > > > > > http://apcmag.com:80/5223/vista_upgr..._clean_install
> > > > >
> > > > > This isn't a mistake or a slip up, but then the article
> > > > > wouldn't sound as controversial would it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > If it was not a *mistake or a slip up* how come that Microsoft
> > > > told no one about it ?
> > >
> > > What is there to tell? Other MS OS's (indeed other OS's) have
> > > done exactly the same thing in the past - you just need the
> > > original media (and actually have it installed). I think it goes
> > > back to about Windows
> > > 3.x! I think IBM did it too (OS/2).
> >
> > I remember installing Windows 95 upgrade in the first week that it
> > came out. I did a clean install on a freshly-formatted HDD. When it
> > said it was an upgrade and couldn't find a previous version I just
> > put install disk 1 of Windows 3.11 in the floppy drive and
> > 'pointed' to it. The install then proceeded without a hitch.
>
> Hi Shaun,

Hi Buddy,

> I understand with Vista you can use an upgrade disk to install a 30
> day trial copy by not typing in the install key, then immediately
> after the install finishes, before you activate, put the disk back in
> the drive and proceed with another install using the key, and Vista
> will accept the 30 day trial as proof that you already had an
> appropriate O/S. The whole point of that is that you can use the upgrade
> disk on a
> formatted drive.

Ahh, okay. I didn't follow the original link as I'm on a 1GB/day plan that
starts at 2am and usually use all my data up overnight downloading so that
I'm limited to 64/64 for the rest of the day. It's something I've learnt to
live with but it does reduce the munber of links I click (especially youtube
links <g>) during daylight hours. My bad.

> I believe the same can be done with XP. If you only have an upgrade
> disk for XP, you can "borrow" a full install disk from a friend, use
> it to install the o/s on your freshly formatted h/d WITHOUT ACTIVATING
> the friends installed copy, then use your upgrade disk to upgrade to
> that version of XP using your install key. It works if the friends
> full install disk is service pack one and your upgrade disk is
> service pack 2 or later.

Hmmm, yet another thing I didn't know. I wonder if XP Pro upgrade disks will
drop in price now Vista's out?

I like to learn something new every day. I can have tomorrow off now.

</rant>

Ya know, all this eye candy and subsequently more powerful CPUs and GPUs
that are needed for Vista, it's gotta make a big dent in fossil fuel
supplies world-wide when you consider the sheer number of PCs that will come
with Vista pre-laoded and the specs bumped up to run it. I run MBM5 on my PC
and have it monitor my average CPU usage over the period that the PC is
running. It's been running two days since restart now and the average CPU
utilisation over that period is 14.3%. That's with a couple two+ hour
sessions of gaming, (an old game that automatically uses 100% CPU regardless
of power of CPU). Using data gathered from this utility I decided to drop my
unlocked (previously overclocked) XP2500+ to a clock speed of 1.5GHz (7.5 x
200) (down from 2.2GHz I was running previously) and vcore to 1.2V (down
from 1.75V). According to an on-line calculator I checked, this reduced my
CPU power consumption to a third of what it was previously and I don't
notice the difference often. I've even installed the registry change that
unlocks CoolBits and underclocked my old faithful GeForce ti4200 around 20%
as I don't need all that it has to give.

Vista is going to cost us (the planet) many millions of barrels of oil.
Irresponsible just for an OS. It would be a different story if it was an app
that _needed_ the power. OK, CPUs are more powerful every generation anyway
but they are capable of idling. With Vista and Aero I imagine CPUs and GPUs
won't be idling very often.

<rant/>

Cheers,
--
Shaun.