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Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
> Mathew Good <> wrote:
>
> > It can only happen in the USA..
> >
> > http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=13738&catid=6
>
> LMFAO! How ****ing dumb can you get? Let's just wrap the entire world
> in foam rubber and have done with it

Heh! I prefer to let Darwin's law of evolution take care of the dross. I
mean, it's not good for the human race to have a guy dancing, effectively
deaf, across a busy street, contributing to the gene pool.
--
Shaun.

Don Hills <> wrote:
>I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
>consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.

When I went to the UK on holiday a couple of years ago, I made a point of
looking at the UK Highway Code to see if there were any funnies I should
be aware of. One thing I looked for was the priority rule for
intersections.

There isn't one.

Asking around got lots of answers about what to do on roundabouts (if
you're on the roundabout you have priority, which I thought was just
bloody obvious), with the inevitable pointing out that this rule is the
other way around in Paris (watch the traffic from atop the Arc de
Triomphe, it's, uh, entertaining), but nothing about left hand vs right
hand priority.

Apparently it just isn't considered a problem.

Crossroads are dealt with simply by having priority signs on all of
them, or at least being obvious about which is the "big" road and
therefore gets priority.

I guess that when turning into a side street, if both vehicles get to the
intersection at the same time, the one turning left completes the turn
before the one turning right, so there isn't a actually problem. If the
one turning left arrives slightly later (so would be entering the side
street at the same time), the one turning right would already be on the
intersection, and the left turning vehicle waits until the intersection
is clear. Or something like that.

Reflecting on this, I think part of NZ's problem is that we don't actually
have very high traffic density. If you're used to driving close to each
other, and taking the tighter turning opportunities presented, the
timing outlined above just works, even if you end up entering the side
street bumper to bumper. In NZ, we seem to expect quite a lot more
space, and we need a rule that says who gets that space.

Another example I noticed when driving in Crete a year or so ago, where
the main highway is (mostly) one lane in each direction and pretty much
always occupied in the oncoming direction. Passing is done by pulling
up close behind the slower vehicle, who pulls over, leaving (just!)
enough room to pass without ever crossing the centre line. If the
slower vehicle hasn't noticed, you flash your lights to remind them. I
assume this is normal behaviour elsewhere in Europe.

In NZ, that almost never happens -- slower drivers behave as if they are
the only vehicle on the road, leaving a faster vehicle to wait for a
long stretch of road unoccupied in the other direction (which can take a
while if there's even a modest amount of oncoming traffic or the road is
winding), a passing lane (if there is one), or risk a deadly head-on.

-- don

"~misfit~" <> wrote in message
news:45cd07c9$...
> Jamie Kahn Genet wrote:
>> Mathew Good <> wrote:
>>
>> > It can only happen in the USA..
>> >
>> > http://www.tcmagazine.com/comments.p...=13738&catid=6
>>
>> LMFAO! How ****ing dumb can you get? Let's just wrap the entire world
>> in foam rubber and have done with it
>
> Heh! I prefer to let Darwin's law of evolution take care of the dross. I
> mean, it's not good for the human race to have a guy dancing, effectively
> deaf, across a busy street, contributing to the gene pool.


Stevie Wonder would be ****ed!


--
Sharkwtfc

On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 12:10:19 +1300, Mathew Good <mg wrote:

> On Fri, 09 Feb 2007 22:40:02 +1200, (Don Hills) wrote:
>
>>In article <45cbe097$>,
>>"Sharkwtfc" <> wrote:
>>>
>>>The guy I had the stand up with told me his GPS told him that he had right
>>>of way.
>>
>>I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
>>consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.
>>
>>First, you establish priority - for example, if you're on a stop/give way
>>and the other person isn't, you give way and vice versa. Or if only one of
>>you is crossing the centre line, the one not crossing has priority. This is
>>the same for all countries, as far as I know.
>>
>>Once you've established that you both have equal priority, you look at the
>>position of the other vehicle. If you were to collide, would their vehicle
>>hit your vehicle on your (driver's) side? If so, you give way.
>>
>>In short, if they can hit your (driver's) door, you give way to them.
>>One rule, no exceptions, unlike in some other countries.
>
>
>
>
> Yes a NZ Stupid Rule and cause many accidents..
>
> I am referring to the one turning left and you have to give way to the other car tuning also into
> your left lane..
>
> In most cases that I have seen the car behind you when you are turning left tries to over take you
> or pass around you thus breaking the Law..
>
> You can only do that if there are separate lanes..

Or if you do not need to cross the centre line to do so.

On 2007-02-09, Zipper <> wrote:
> grasp the idea of giving way to the right, especially when they are on a
> "main road" and think that gives them right of way if they are turning
> right into a smaller road and a car is turning right out of the smaller
> road.

"main" isn't magic but most of the time the side road
has a give way or stop sign, and that makes a difference.

> Defintely ban cellphone usage while driving though, it's amazing how
> common that is now and amazing how bad some people are at driving while
> talking on their phones.

Bye.
Jasen

On 2007-02-09, Don Hills <> wrote:
> In article <45cbe097$>,
> "Sharkwtfc" <> wrote:
>>
>>The guy I had the stand up with told me his GPS told him that he had right
>>of way.
>
> I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
> consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.
>
> First, you establish priority - for example, if you're on a stop/give way
> and the other person isn't, you give way and vice versa. Or if only one of
> you is crossing the centre line, the one not crossing has priority. This is
> the same for all countries, as far as I know.
>
> Once you've established that you both have equal priority, you look at the
> position of the other vehicle. If you were to collide, would their vehicle
> hit your vehicle on your (driver's) side? If so, you give way.
>
> In short, if they can hit your (driver's) door, you give way to them.
> One rule, no exceptions, unlike in some other countries.

You could add a fourth rule, if there is other traffic that they must give way to
but no other traffic in your way, then you can go because they can't.

You should see the mess they have in australia, the rules rules change for
T intersections etc...

Bye.
Jasen

>On 2007-02-09, Don Hills <> wrote:
>> In article <45cbe097$>,
>> "Sharkwtfc" <> wrote:
>>>
>>>The guy I had the stand up with told me his GPS told him that he had right
>>>of way.
>>
>> I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
>> consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.
>>
>> First, you establish priority - for example, if you're on a stop/give way
>> and the other person isn't, you give way and vice versa. Or if only one of
>> you is crossing the centre line, the one not crossing has priority. This is
>> the same for all countries, as far as I know.
>>
>> Once you've established that you both have equal priority, you look at the
>> position of the other vehicle. If you were to collide, would their vehicle
>> hit your vehicle on your (driver's) side? If so, you give way.
>>
>> In short, if they can hit your (driver's) door, you give way to them.
>> One rule, no exceptions, unlike in some other countries.
>
Finally someone with some common sense and how the rite hand rule
applies. Come and teach that to the brain dead immigrant and kids
of immigrant drivers in south Auckland.. That appears one area that
out tax collectors are not interested in..

Sharkwtfc wrote:
> "Rupert" <> wrote in message
> news:B-...
>> How can a GPS systems route finding be to blame for the right hand rule?
>> It has no idea whether there are cars there or not, it just tells you to
>> make the turn. Fair enough it should know if the road is one way or not,
>> but no more than that.
>
> The guy I had the stand up with told me his GPS told him that he had right
> of way.
>
>
It didn't. It may have told him to turn right here. I bet it has no
voice reponses programmed into it that say:
Turn Right Here. You have the right of way.

Your combative buddy is even more full of s than his GPS.

Philip

Don Stokes wrote:
> Don Hills <> wrote:
>> I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
>> consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.
>
> When I went to the UK on holiday a couple of years ago, I made a point of
> looking at the UK Highway Code to see if there were any funnies I should
> be aware of. One thing I looked for was the priority rule for
> intersections.
>
> There isn't one.
>
> Asking around got lots of answers about what to do on roundabouts (if
> you're on the roundabout you have priority, which I thought was just
> bloody obvious), with the inevitable pointing out that this rule is the
> other way around in Paris (watch the traffic from atop the Arc de
> Triomphe, it's, uh, entertaining), but nothing about left hand vs right
> hand priority.
>
> Apparently it just isn't considered a problem.
>
> Crossroads are dealt with simply by having priority signs on all of
> them, or at least being obvious about which is the "big" road and
> therefore gets priority.
>
> I guess that when turning into a side street, if both vehicles get to the
> intersection at the same time, the one turning left completes the turn
> before the one turning right, so there isn't a actually problem. If the
> one turning left arrives slightly later (so would be entering the side
> street at the same time), the one turning right would already be on the
> intersection, and the left turning vehicle waits until the intersection
> is clear. Or something like that.
>
> Reflecting on this, I think part of NZ's problem is that we don't actually
> have very high traffic density. If you're used to driving close to each
> other, and taking the tighter turning opportunities presented, the
> timing outlined above just works, even if you end up entering the side
> street bumper to bumper. In NZ, we seem to expect quite a lot more
> space, and we need a rule that says who gets that space.
>
> Another example I noticed when driving in Crete a year or so ago, where
> the main highway is (mostly) one lane in each direction and pretty much
> always occupied in the oncoming direction. Passing is done by pulling
> up close behind the slower vehicle, who pulls over, leaving (just!)
> enough room to pass without ever crossing the centre line. If the
> slower vehicle hasn't noticed, you flash your lights to remind them. I
> assume this is normal behaviour elsewhere in Europe.
>
> In NZ, that almost never happens -- slower drivers behave as if they are
> the only vehicle on the road, leaving a faster vehicle to wait for a
> long stretch of road unoccupied in the other direction (which can take a
> while if there's even a modest amount of oncoming traffic or the road is
> winding), a passing lane (if there is one), or risk a deadly head-on.
>
> -- don

Tailgating and flashing will get you booked in most European countries.

Philip

"Mutley" <> wrote in message
news:...
>
>>On 2007-02-09, Don Hills <> wrote:
>>> In article <45cbe097$>,
>>> "Sharkwtfc" <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The guy I had the stand up with told me his GPS told him that he had
>>>>right
>>>>of way.
>>>
>>> I don't know why people have trouble with the rule - it's actually more
>>> consistent and less confusing than that of many other countries.
>>>
>>> First, you establish priority - for example, if you're on a stop/give
>>> way
>>> and the other person isn't, you give way and vice versa. Or if only one
>>> of
>>> you is crossing the centre line, the one not crossing has priority. This
>>> is
>>> the same for all countries, as far as I know.
>>>
>>> Once you've established that you both have equal priority, you look at
>>> the
>>> position of the other vehicle. If you were to collide, would their
>>> vehicle
>>> hit your vehicle on your (driver's) side? If so, you give way.
>>>
>>> In short, if they can hit your (driver's) door, you give way to them.
>>> One rule, no exceptions, unlike in some other countries.
>>
> Finally someone with some common sense and how the rite hand rule
> applies. Come and teach that to the brain dead immigrant and kids
> of immigrant drivers in south Auckland.. That appears one area that
> out tax collectors are not interested in..

Doesn't your white hood obscure your peripheral vision?

--
Sharkwtfc