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On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 01:02:41 +1300, "Craig Sutton"
<> wrote:



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>Unless those spamming are actually in NZ nothing can be done.
>
>Anyway as the main problem spam bypassing the filters is image based then
>better methods are needed to do the filtering. Maybe start by giving all
>email without embedded images a higher priority on the mail server.
>

Well what could be done, is to publish a list of the worst spamming
countries, select the top offender and block ALL internet traffic
to/from there. I dare say that Government would then see the way to do
something about it.

Then pick on the next offender.

Incidentally, it's not just Ihug, I have exactly the same issue with
Slingshot, Emails are delayed for hours to days.

Here's the real bloody joke, try to get hold of Slingshot help !

On 3 Nov 2006 05:56:48 -0800, in message < .com>,
Matty F wrote:

> 3. Delay any emails from the countries that are known to be the worst
> offenders.

Did you mean that to be based on real source IP address, or on
faked sender email address?

If on real source IP address, then countries with the most PCs on
broadband would be delayed -- such as the good ole U.S. of A.

If on faked sender email address, the suggestion is worthless.


> If hundreds of emails arrive together from one server, store
> the whole lot and examine them, manually if necessary. If it's a block
> of mass spam, delete them all and delay all messages from that server
> even longer and notify that server administrator.

Those spam emails do not come from other servers.

They come from 0wn3d PCs on broadband connections.
The spammers have control of large numbers of these.
Blocking them one by one as you suggest is like picking
up sand one grain at a time.



--
Cheers,
Ralph

Gib Bogle wrote:
> Matty F wrote:
>
>> What a bloody waste of time it is for ihug to have all those expensive
>> TV adverts at the moment.
>> They should instead spend the money on allowing their existing
>> customers to receive emails which ihug has delayed for days. Or maybe
>> the emails will never arrive, in which case they will very soon lose a
>> lot of customers. I see that ihug are allowing spam messages to get
>> through to their customers but not the messages that they actually want.
>>
>
> I can receive email (a few, anyway) but I can't send. It asks for the
> password for smtp.ihug.co.nz, but doesn't like the only password I'm
> aware of (the main account password).

Fixed. Had to turn off the username/password requirement for smtp.

Craig Sutton wrote:
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>
> Unless those spamming are actually in NZ nothing can be done.
>
> Anyway as the main problem spam bypassing the filters is image based then
> better methods are needed to do the filtering. Maybe start by giving all
> email without embedded images a higher priority on the mail server.
>
>
What planet do you live on Craig?

Just because a criminal act is committed oversees does not mean nothing
should be done about it.

The main problem!

What a load of garbage.

The main problem is the shear amount of spam generated by botnets.

Now hacking into someones computer to send spam should be seen as a
serious crime. When that is done on a mass scale then that should be
seen as a major international crime.

Anony Mouse

Matty F wrote:
> Craig Sutton wrote:
>
>
>>Unless those spamming are actually in NZ nothing can be done.
>>
>>Anyway as the main problem spam bypassing the filters is image based then
>>better methods are needed to do the filtering. Maybe start by giving all
>>email without embedded images a higher priority on the mail server.
>
>
> I don't know how easy it would be for NZ ISPs to do this, but here is
> my suggestion:
>
> 1. Pass across emails to and from NZ servers immediately, if they pass
> a simple spam check.
> 2. If any spam is sourced in NZ, prosecute the culprits and fine them
> $100 per email.
> 3. Delay any emails from the countries that are known to be the worst
> offenders. If hundreds of emails arrive together from one server, store
> the whole lot and examine them, manually if necessary. If it's a block
> of mass spam, delete them all and delay all messages from that server
> even longer and notify that server administrator.
>
Hey right...

Another FUSSP.

How long will that work for?

There have been many great minds (All **** for brains) working on this
issue for ten years.

Universally the answer has been to block and filter which is never going
to work.

Anony Mouse

On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 07:57:35 +1300, in message <>,
Barry Lennox wrote:

> Well what could be done, is to publish a list of the worst spamming
> countries, select the top offender and block ALL internet traffic
> to/from there.

Then you would have us block all Internet traffic to/from the USA.

The spam is sent from 0wn3d PCs on broadband connections.

PCs are 0wn3d all round the globe. Tour "top offenders"
would be the counties with the most PCs on broadband.
You would find the USA high on the list.

Examining some of my recent spam, the country which figures the most
is the USA.


> I dare say that Government would then see the way to do
> something about it.

Rather than block all Internet traffic to/from the USA, they
would drop your plan faster than you can blink.

--
Cheers,
Ralph

"Curiosity skilled the cat."

Barry Lennox wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 01:02:41 +1300, "Craig Sutton"
> <> wrote:
>
>
>
> snip
>
>
>>Unless those spamming are actually in NZ nothing can be done.
>>
>>Anyway as the main problem spam bypassing the filters is image based then
>>better methods are needed to do the filtering. Maybe start by giving all
>>email without embedded images a higher priority on the mail server.
>>
>
>
> Well what could be done, is to publish a list of the worst spamming
> countries, select the top offender and block ALL internet traffic
> to/from there. I dare say that Government would then see the way to do
> something about it.
>
> Then pick on the next offender.
>
> Incidentally, it's not just Ihug, I have exactly the same issue with
> Slingshot, Emails are delayed for hours to days.
>
> Here's the real bloody joke, try to get hold of Slingshot help !
Again... Yeah right.

Another FUSSP.

The list already exists on Spamhuas along with a list of the 200 top
offenders sending spam.

Those 200 people need to be locked up end of story.

Spam problem resolved.

Anony Mouse

Matty F wrote:
> What a bloody waste of time it is for ihug to have all those expensive
> TV adverts at the moment.
> They should instead spend the money on allowing their existing
> customers to receive emails which ihug has delayed for days. Or maybe
> the emails will never arrive, in which case they will very soon lose a
> lot of customers. I see that ihug are allowing spam messages to get
> through to their customers but not the messages that they actually want.
>
At least one good thing is coming from this thread.

It can be seen that the problem is occurring at several ISP's.

Anony Mouse

Ralph Fox wrote:
> On 3 Nov 2006 05:56:48 -0800, in message < .com>,
> Matty F wrote:
>
> > 3. Delay any emails from the countries that are known to be the worst
> > offenders.
>
> Did you mean that to be based on real source IP address, or on
> faked sender email address?
>
> If on real source IP address, then countries with the most PCs on
> broadband would be delayed -- such as the good ole U.S. of A.

I merely said "delayed" not "rejected". Ihug and Orcon are apparently
having trouble handling all of their emails because of a huge amount of
spam. I am suggesting that they handle the within-NZ emails first and
put suspected spam in a holding file until it can be looked at.
If it means holding up emails from the US for a few hours, who is going
to care, and who is going to notice.

This thread involving the CEOs of e360Insight and Spamhaus is
fascinating reading:
http://groups.google.com/group/news....672fda38?hl=en

> If on faked sender email address, the suggestion is worthless.

Of course I am not suggesting that the sender email address be looked
at.
I'm surprised that you would even suggest that.

Anony Mouse wrote:

> At least one good thing is coming from this thread.
>
> It can be seen that the problem is occurring at several ISP's.

I have received an email that was delayed at Orcon for 23 days, and
other emails from the same guy have never arrived and were never
bounced back to him.
Somebody using ihug has been waiting for days for work related emails
and emails from me, but he still gets spam passed through to him from
ihug.
All of these wanted emails are completely internal to NZ.
It should be easy to DELAY emails that are not internal to NZ, until
there is time to process them or reject them.