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I've noticed that when I start up in WXPpro, certain programmes start
up first and in a particular sequence. What I'd like to see is my
firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
Is there a way to configure this to happen? And, if so, how should I
go about it? TIA.

aka Bob <> wrote in
news::

> I've noticed that when I start up in WXPpro, certain programmes start
> up first and in a particular sequence. What I'd like to see is my
> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
> Is there a way to configure this to happen? And, if so, how should I
> go about it? TIA.
>

Use this tool:

http://www.r2.com.au/software.php?page=2
&show=startdelay&vrn=startdelay_v2.2b85

http://tinyurl.com/qy53c

Startup Delayer v2.2.85
Released: 3rd August 2006 [View Release Notes]
The power to speed up your computer's startup process!

Can you learn another language in the time it takes for your machine to
boot? Do you turn on your PC when you go to bed, so it's finished booting
by the time you get home from work the next day?

When Windows loads it's Startup file, it attempts to load every program
in there at the same time. Therefore if you have quite a lot of programs
starting when Windows starts, each program will try and grab CPU time so
that it can load.

If each program tries to do this at the same time, you soon notice the
slow down that occurs, due to your CPU trying to help all the programs to
load, and your hard disk accessing multiple files.

Startup Delayer allows you to setup how many seconds after Windows has
started, to load each program.

For Example:
If you have your mail program and a special clock starting up, then you
can make your mail start say 10 seconds after Windows has loaded, and
then the special clock start 20 seconds after Windows Starts.

Compatible with Windows 98/ME/2000/XP

--
Ciao, Dave

In message <>, aka Bob wrote:

> What I'd like to see is my
> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.

You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?

On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:13:39 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<_zealand> magnanimously proffered:

>In message <>, aka Bob wrote:
>
>> What I'd like to see is my
>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>
>You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?

Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
is still clean.

aka Bob <> wrote in
news::

> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:13:39 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> magnanimously proffered:
>
>>In message <>, aka Bob wrote:
>>
>>> What I'd like to see is my
>>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>>
>>You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>>before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?
>
> Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
> not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
> clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
> seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
> Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
> is still clean.
>
>
>
Some firewalls, actually almost all desktop firewalls, have a couple of
modules. One is a GUI, the other a networking service. If it is designed
properly, the network will always be protected as there is a spec on how to
plug a firewall into XP. This is why ZoneAlarm can break your networking
if it gets corrupted, or does not uninstall properly.


--
Ciao, Dave

In message <Xns9855988FB3F87daveytaynospamplshot@203.97.37.6> , Dave Taylor
wrote:

> aka Bob <> wrote in
> news::
>
>> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:13:39 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
>> <_zealand> magnanimously proffered:
>>
>>>In message <>, aka Bob wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I'd like to see is my
>>>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>>>
>>>You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>>>before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?
>>
>> Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
>> not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
>> clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
>> seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
>> Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
>> is still clean.
>>
>>
> Some firewalls, actually almost all desktop firewalls, have a couple of
> modules.

On my Gentoo system:

root@theon:~ # more /etc/init.d/iptables
....
depend() {
before net
....

You know what that "before" means? It means run the firewall startup script
_before_ the network is enabled. Not after.

aka Bob wrote:
> On Fri, 06 Oct 2006 22:13:39 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
> <_zealand> magnanimously proffered:
>
>> In message <>, aka Bob wrote:
>>
>>> What I'd like to see is my
>>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>> You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>> before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?
>
> Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
> not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
> clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
> seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
> Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
> is still clean.
>
>
Since you're running XP, you probably don't need this 'atomic clock',
assuming its an application to update your system time over the
internet. Just make sure the 'Windows Time' service is running, and it
is configured to update your system time every so often from a suitable
server (you can set this up on the 'Internet Time' tab of Date/Time
settings).

>>>> What I'd like to see is my
>>>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>>> You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>>> before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?
>>
>> Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
>> not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
>> clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
>> seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
>> Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
>> is still clean.
>>
>>
> Since you're running XP, you probably don't need this 'atomic clock',
> assuming its an application to update your system time over the
> internet. Just make sure the 'Windows Time' service is running, and it
> is configured to update your system time every so often from a suitable
> server (you can set this up on the 'Internet Time' tab of Date/Time
> settings).

Why worry?
Software firewalls are poor security anyway. Any
determined hacker can disable or
circumvent them. They may stop the odd worm trying
to gain access, but really! if you
want a real hardware firewall, my partner compiles
Linux Firewalls.
Hackers have tried to get through & failed.
Interesting to see just many pings from
strange IP addresses take place every day.
If you have sensitive valuable data, you should
have a serious firewall.

Cheers Tom

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In message <eg7nhm$cg6$>, TomC wrote:

> Why worry? Software firewalls are poor security anyway. Any
> determined hacker can disable or circumvent them.

I've never heard of anybody circumventing netfilter/iptables. Care to offer
an instance?

TomC wrote:
>
>>>>> What I'd like to see is my
>>>>> firewall starting up before anything else, followed by my antivirus.
>>>> You mean it doesn't already? Does that mean network services that start
>>>> before the firewall are vulnerable until the firewall starts?
>>>
>>> Looks like it! What's of even greater concern is that (usually, but
>>> not always) the first thing to load is my world clock and atomic
>>> clock, both of which have access to the net. It's only a matter of
>>> seconds, but on broadband a couple of seconds is all it takes.
>>> Fortunately, frequent antivirus scans with KAV tell me that my system
>>> is still clean.
>>>
>>>
>> Since you're running XP, you probably don't need this 'atomic clock',
>> assuming its an application to update your system time over the
>> internet. Just make sure the 'Windows Time' service is running, and it
>> is configured to update your system time every so often from a
>> suitable server (you can set this up on the 'Internet Time' tab of
>> Date/Time settings).
>
> Why worry?
> Software firewalls are poor security anyway. Any determined hacker can
> disable or
> circumvent them. They may stop the odd worm trying to gain access, but
> really! if you
> want a real hardware firewall, my partner compiles Linux Firewalls.

Uh, linux firewall? How is this not a 'software' firewall?

> Hackers have tried to get through & failed. Interesting to see just many
> pings from
> strange IP addresses take place every day.
> If you have sensitive valuable data, you should have a serious firewall.
>
> Cheers Tom
>
> * Thankfully this message was not scanned by AVG Free *
>