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Patrick FitzGerald
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      05-09-2006
On Wed, 10 May 2006 09:24:03 +1200, Shane <>
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>It borders on privacy invasion




Privacy invasion will be rampant as soon as governments realize
find out that they too can use the very nasty features M$oft will
impose on you to via the so called Trusted Computing thingie , aka
Palladium, to snoop on you and control your use of YOUR computer.



Patrick

 
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shannon
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      05-09-2006
Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 09:24:03 +1200, Shane <>
> wrote:
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>> It borders on privacy invasion

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>
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> Privacy invasion will be rampant as soon as governments realize
> find out that they too can use the very nasty features M$oft will
> impose on you to via the so called Trusted Computing thingie , aka
> Palladium, to snoop on you and control your use of YOUR computer.
>
>
>
> Patrick
>


They abandoned the name long ago.
They have no plans to put it in Vista
 
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Patrick FitzGerald
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      05-10-2006
On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:37 +1200, shannon <> wrote:


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>They abandoned the name long ago.
>They have no plans to put it in Vista



Not so don't you keep up with the News?


Under the name Trusted Computing Alliance M$oft and hardware
co-conspirators are going to unleash an updated version of Palladium
to make YOU the person who is not trusted to use YOUR computer as you
wish.




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      05-10-2006
Patrick FitzGerald wrote:
> On Wed, 10 May 2006 11:19:37 +1200, shannon <> wrote:
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>> They abandoned the name long ago.
>> They have no plans to put it in Vista

>
>
> Not so don't you keep up with the News?
>
>
> Under the name Trusted Computing Alliance M$oft and hardware
> co-conspirators are going to unleash an updated version of Palladium
> to make YOU the person who is not trusted to use YOUR computer as you
> wish.
>
>
>
>
> Patrick


You are way behind, look it up
 
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Patrick FitzGerald
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      05-10-2006
On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:34:45 +1200, shannon <> wrote:


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>You are way behind, look it up




Not so Shannon you are way behind as a cursory glance at many recent
computer magazines will reveal. For example

************************************************** *********
Digital Rights management gone mad.

Juha Saarinhen

NZ PC World , April 2006, page 13
************************************************** *****


M$oft may have dropped the name palladium , but the plot to make you
the untrusted person in your own computer.

Patrick

 
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Patrick FitzGerald
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      05-10-2006
On Wed, 10 May 2006 12:34:45 +1200, shannon <> wrote:


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>You are way behind, look it up




Not so Shannon you are way behind as a cursory glance at many recent
computer magazines will reveal. For example

************************************************** *********
Digital Rights management gone mad.

Juha Saarinhen

NZ PC World , April 2006, page 13
************************************************** *****


M$oft may have dropped the name palladium , but NOT the plot to
make you the untrusted person in your own computer.

Patrick

 
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kriskirk@hotmail.com
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      05-10-2006
Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...oft-vista.html

<snip>

Geez what are you? A one man crusade against Microsoft? Did Bill Gates
sleep with your wife or something? Or did someone abuse you with a copy
of Microsoft DOS when you were a child? Therapy might help, you know.

Kris

 
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      05-10-2006
Who Am I wrote:
> In article <f767j3->,
> thingy <> wrote:
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>>With Open source model such kludges would not have got in......
>>
>>If they had we'd be able to see them and make a judgement call on
>>whether it was usable or not.....

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>
>
> LOL, what a laugh.
>
> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl...079209&tid=156
> "ZDNet UK reports that Andrew Morton, the head maintainer of the Linux
> production kernel, is concerned about the amount of bugs in the 2.6
> kernel. He is considering the possibility of dedicating an entire
> release cycle to fixing long standing bugs." From the article: "One
> problem is that few developers are motivated to work on bugs, according
> to Morton. This is particularly a problem for bugs that affect old
> computers or peripherals, as kernel developers working for corporations
> don't tend to care about out-of-date hardware, he said. Nowadays, many
> kernel developers are employed by IT companies, such as hardware
> manufacturers, which can cause problems as they can mainly be motivated
> by self-interest."
>
>
> Why don't you change everything you say to "I hate Microsoft...linux is
> good"


No, what I want to see is MS being honest, I think too much gets hidden
behind marketing and the PR department. This does not just rest on MS
though, many vendors seem to be good at the slight of hand ie this bit
is great (though really meaningless, say the "value add" crud), while
hiding the not so good but very important parts behind the front.

> And NO, I do NOT run windows or any Microsoft Apps, and I dislike their
> business model, and I do think Windows has serious issues, but I am
> pleased to see that they are doing something about security so that in
> the end I will have less spam, fewer viruses, and more secure networks
> (and I STILL wont be running their products!)


There is a difference between a software kludge and a bug on hardware.

My comment was more aimed at, with OSS you get to see the "kludges" and
bugs up front, with XP now it is being replaced we get to hear how its
kludges etc are being replaced in this "better" model, does this not
sound familiar?.

The improvement on the VPN stuff and security is good. Nathan admitting
the old one was a kludge and un-stable and possibly insecure has been
repeated from win2k to XP. Lets not forget how good/secure MS promised
XP was going to be.....about the only "decent" improvements I can see of
XP over win2k in security terms was the lock down on the install
keys/method/system etc etc, ie the biggest benifactor of XP was MS....if
MS paid as much attention to user needs as its own, then the OS might
really improve between releases.

NB my attitude to MS is like my attitude to Telecom and indeed any
business that takes or tries to take away my choices and/or an unfair
amount of my money, ie I have more of a moral & trust issue with MS than
a technical one....

regards

Thing








 
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      05-10-2006
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> Have A Nice Cup of Tea wrote:
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>>http://www.networkworld.com/news/200...oft-vista.html

>
> <snip>
>
> Geez what are you? A one man crusade against Microsoft? Did Bill Gates
> sleep with your wife or something? Or did someone abuse you with a copy
> of Microsoft DOS when you were a child? Therapy might help, you know.
>
> Kris
>



Maybe if we lock him in a room with a PC and a copy of XP for six months
and tell him he has to order all his food on line.........

;]

regards

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kriskirk@hotmail.com
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      05-10-2006
thingy wrote:
> Maybe if we lock him in a room with a PC and a copy of XP for six months
> and tell him he has to order all his food on line.........


I'm sure he would rather starve to death! I think he needs to be
physically forced to use XP somehow to overcome his fear/issues. Maybe
we lock him in a room, rig a Linux box with a bunch of explosives on a
timer, and give him an XP box contain the programs needed to stop the
timer! No way he would let his beloved Linux box explode....

(yes I just watched Saw II recently....)

 
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