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Jennings
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      04-02-2006
Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.


Seriously. Why are there so many people wasting their time
inventing and re-inventing Linux?

Yes, I said "wasting" and I meant it.

More to the point, how much are you really contributing to Linux and
open-source
by spending hours on rebuilding Linux?


http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8823760499.html


Not to mention the support nightmare that problem creates.

J.
 
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Peter
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      04-02-2006
Jennings wrote:
> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.


This illustrates an important aspect of open source - freedom.
If someone wants to tinker with a distro and tune it up how they like, they
have the freedom to do so. Whether or not it is a waste of time, is
entirely up to them.
This article is just Steven's opinion that if someone wants to contribute
some hours to open source, it would be better to build on an existing
project, than to start a new distro. But even the existence of this
opinion and debate illustrates the freedom that comes with open source.



Peter

 
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Shane
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      04-02-2006
Peter wrote:

> Jennings wrote:
>> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.

>
> This illustrates an important aspect of open source - freedom.
> If someone wants to tinker with a distro and tune it up how they like,
> they
> have the freedom to do so. Whether or not it is a waste of time, is
> entirely up to them.
> This article is just Steven's opinion that if someone wants to contribute
> some hours to open source, it would be better to build on an existing
> project, than to start a new distro. But even the existence of this
> opinion and debate illustrates the freedom that comes with open source.
>
>
>
> Peter


It also illustrates the strength of GNU/Linux, Distros that are GUI focused
for ex windows users, a distro for stabilty/licensing, Distros that can be
optimised by the End User for their own machine(s), Distros specifically
for routers, that will fit on a floppy disk, the list goes on.
It shows that, if you have a situation you can build a GNU/linux solution to
fit that situation
Its bewildering to those new to the concept, but actually quite
straightforward
The interesting thing is, if you have a piece of software from one distro
you want to run on your distro, and you have the source code, it will run
on your distro.
Moreover things that make one distro strong can be easily adapted for any
other distro (Package Management has to be the obvious point here)
If the project has no legs, it will die, survival of the fittest, and
anything deemed worthy of being kept will be passed onto other distros (Im
thinking about LRP project and how some of its concepts were taken up by
other distros etc etc etc)
Afterall, all a distro is, is a Linux kernel, and GNU packages customised in
the image of the maintainer
As for drivers, that takes a shitload more work than putting together a
distro, and you have to reverse engineer the Hardware manufacturers driver,
or worse, work blind and figure out wtf instructions a device will accept,
and in what language
(Assuming the manufacturer wont play ball, which a very large number arent
yet)
In fact that point shows Steven doesnt really understand the problems Linux
or Other OS's face
He does have half a point about people starting from scratch instead of
building on a current project. However, Ive found that sometimes the best
way *is* to start from scratch, because sometimes you find a different path
than the current project has taken, and end up with a more elegant solution
Of course Mileage varies
All in all I think Steven misses the point altogether

 
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wogers nemesis
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      04-02-2006
On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 14:16:53 +1200, Jennings wrote:

> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.
>
>
> Seriously. Why are there so many people wasting their time
> inventing and re-inventing Linux?
>
> Yes, I said "wasting" and I meant it.
>
> More to the point, how much are you really contributing to Linux and
> open-source
> by spending hours on rebuilding Linux?
>
>
> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8823760499.html
>
>
> Not to mention the support nightmare that problem creates.
>
> J.


Do what I do... ignore them all except Debian. Yes it is a bit silly...but
the choice doesn't cost you anything.
 
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Peter
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      04-02-2006
Shane wrote:
> Its bewildering to those new to the concept, but actually quite
> straightforward


This is not a new concept outside of software.
Take music - if you want to create your own type of music to share with
friends - no problem. If you want to make music in an existing style or
genre (jazz, hip hop, chamber, etc), you can do so. It is called
creativity, and artistic endeavour.
The same applies in drama, sculpture, writing, science, whatever. It is
normal practice for people to do their own thing, building (to a greater or
lesser extent) on the works of others.
You don't heard people complain "there are to darned many sculptures" (or
plays or novels or ...).

For some reason, people think that software is different. Perhaps it is
because the software field is still so new and immature, compared with all
the other fields of artistic / scientific work.


Peter




 
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Peter
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      04-02-2006
Jennings wrote:

> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.
>
>
> Seriously. Why are there so many people wasting their time
> inventing and re-inventing Linux?
>
> Yes, I said "wasting" and I meant it.


Linux is not suitable for everyone. There will always be those who are
happier and more comfortable with Windows. Linux people do not lose any
sleep over the latter.
 
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RJ
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      04-02-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed) says...
> Shane wrote:
> > Its bewildering to those new to the concept, but actually quite
> > straightforward

>
> This is not a new concept outside of software.
> Take music - if you want to create your own type of music to share with
> friends - no problem. If you want to make music in an existing style or
> genre (jazz, hip hop, chamber, etc), you can do so. It is called
> creativity, and artistic endeavour.
> The same applies in drama, sculpture, writing, science, whatever. It is
> normal practice for people to do their own thing, building (to a greater or
> lesser extent) on the works of others.
> You don't heard people complain "there are to darned many sculptures" (or
> plays or novels or ...).
>
> For some reason, people think that software is different. Perhaps it is
> because the software field is still so new and immature, compared with all
> the other fields of artistic / scientific work.


No its plain why software is quite different and that is compatibility
which isnt an issue with art works which dont have to be compatible with
each other

Simply put if you put out a piece of software you expect to be able to
easily run it on as many platforms as possible without a lot of extra
work

The more different platforms have to be supported by it the more
inefficient it becomes and that is the No.1 reason why Apple has
struggled to mantain market share against the Intel PC architecutre

Therefore the distro producers fail to realise that they are all
competing for a small share of a tiny market thus fragmenting and
dividing their goals and effortsa

Try supporting a few different distros and after a while they all have
their own choice of arhitecture for say updates their own structure of
directories their own combinations of particular applications they
supply packaged and so on
And pretty soon the support complexity is multiplied by the variations
in every distro

In reality OSS or free software is not better than properietry but it
appeals to the weak minded socialists because it is taking on big
capitralist corporations like Microsoft
 
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thingy
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      04-02-2006
Jennings wrote:
> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.
>
>
> Seriously. Why are there so many people wasting their time
> inventing and re-inventing Linux?
>
> Yes, I said "wasting" and I meant it.
>
> More to the point, how much are you really contributing to Linux and
> open-source
> by spending hours on rebuilding Linux?
>
>
> http://www.linux-watch.com/news/NS8823760499.html
>
>
> Not to mention the support nightmare that problem creates.
>
> J.


In a word choice.

1) Lots of big names to choose from.
2) Roll your own to meet a specific need.
3) Use a customised distro to suit your spefic interest, eg clustering.

Support, well you just support the ones you want to.

eg,

I support Debian, Redhat and at a push SUSE....

regards

Thing












 
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Peter
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      04-02-2006
RJ wrote:
> In reality OSS or free software is not better than properietry but it
> appeals to the weak minded socialists because it is taking on big
> capitralist corporations like Microsoft


The central control approach of Microsoft is much closer to communism (one
party state, central control, no individual freedoms).
The open source approach is much closer to the capitalist approach of the
free market, with freedom of choice and individual freedoms.

In communist regimes, they often claim they are "voted" in by the people,
even though the people only had a choice of one. Similarly, advocates
claim user "choose" Microsoft products, when in fact MS exerts monopoly
power in the market, and most retail users don't have a choice. So
pervasive is MS, that many users are simply not aware there could be an
alternative to MS.

The communist label on open source is just plain wrong. Just like the
American "free trade" deals, which actually impose considerable trade
restrictions. The famous double talk of George Orwell's 1984.


Peter



 
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      04-02-2006
Peter wrote:
> Jennings wrote:
>
>> Interesting read on the fragmented mess that linux has become.
>>
>>
>> Seriously. Why are there so many people wasting their time
>> inventing and re-inventing Linux?
>>
>> Yes, I said "wasting" and I meant it.

>
> Linux is not suitable for everyone. There will always be those who are
> happier and more comfortable with Windows. Linux people do not lose any
> sleep over the latter.


Lennier does, but maybe he's not a Linux person.
 
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