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So, rj, what does this do to your rants about "communism"?

 
 
Matthew Poole
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      03-21-2006
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...60320201540127

"[T]he GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and the
distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of which directly
pass to consumers. These benefits include lower prices, better access and
more innovation."

That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.

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"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

 
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persona non gratia
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      03-22-2006
"Matthew Poole" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...60320201540127
>
> "[T]he GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and the
> distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of which directly
> pass to consumers. These benefits include lower prices, better access and
> more innovation."
>
> That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
> like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
> capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.


Do you seriously think Dunford will be convinced by a Groklaw article?


 
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Nik Coughlin
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      03-22-2006
persona non gratia wrote:
> "Matthew Poole" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...
>> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...60320201540127
>>
>> "[T]he GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and
>> the distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of
>> which directly pass to consumers. These benefits include lower
>> prices, better access and more innovation."
>>
>> That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds
>> mighty like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's
>> encouraging those capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.

>
> Do you seriously think Dunford will be convinced by a Groklaw article?


Groklaw are a bunch of commies


 
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Matthew Poole
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      03-22-2006
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 12:30:46 +1200, someone purporting to be persona non
gratia didst scrawl:

> "Matthew Poole" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...

*SNIP*
> Do you seriously think Dunford will be convinced by a Groklaw article?


No, probably not. But one hopes that the PDF of a court order from Indiana
(where they're not terribly sympathetic to communists) might carry a
little weight.
However, Nik may well be right, and we'll now be subjected to Dumbford
calling Groklaw a bastion of communism and un-Americanism.

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RJ
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      03-23-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/(E-Mail Removed)
says...
> http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...60320201540127
>
> "[T]he GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and the
> distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of which directly
> pass to consumers. These benefits include lower prices, better access and
> more innovation."
>
> That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
> like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
> capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.
>


Yet its inherently about attacking the right of free market businesses
to make money out of their business activities

The zealots of open source loudly proclaim that the commercial business
model based on proprietary code is wrong and attack the licensing models
and intellectual property rights at every turn

Practically every open source zealot I have encountered is a lefty and
its easy to see how open source would fulfill socialist goals
 
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RJ
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      03-23-2006
In article <AL0Uf.7755$(E-Mail Removed)>, no-
(E-Mail Removed)y says...
> "Matthew Poole" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news(E-Mail Removed)...
> > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...60320201540127
> >
> > "[T]he GPL encourages, rather than discourages, free competition and the
> > distribution of computer operating systems, the benefits of which directly
> > pass to consumers. These benefits include lower prices, better access and
> > more innovation."
> >
> > That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
> > like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
> > capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.

>
> Do you seriously think Dunford will be convinced by a Groklaw article?


**** off cretin
 
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Matthew Poole
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      03-24-2006
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:40:00 +1200, someone purporting to be RJ didst
scrawl:

*SNIP*
>> That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
>> like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
>> capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.

>
> Yet its inherently about attacking the right of free market businesses
> to make money out of their business activities
>

Really? So you're disputing that IBM are making big money out of a GPL'd
operating system?

> The zealots of open source loudly proclaim that the commercial business
> model based on proprietary code is wrong and attack the licensing models
> and intellectual property rights at every turn
>

As is their right, no? Freedom of expression, etc etc.
Their position is that software ought to be a commodity, with money
charged for services associated with supporting and extending that
software. They're certainly not against people making money, contrary to
your suggestion.

> Practically every open source zealot I have encountered is a lefty and
> its easy to see how open source would fulfill socialist goals


Open source also enables good governance. It forces openness on the civil
service, which I would've thought would be quite amenable to your desire
for small, accountable government? Or have I mis-read your intentions and
you're actually fully against the state having to put the best interests
of the citizenry above any and every other consideration (especially above
pumping up the balance sheet of convicted foreign monopolists)?

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RJ
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      03-24-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed)
says...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 04:40:00 +1200, someone purporting to be RJ didst
> scrawl:
>
> *SNIP*
> >> That's from a judicial ruling on the validity of the GPL. Sounds mighty
> >> like the antithesis of communism, really, since it's encouraging those
> >> capitalist ideals of competition and innovation.

> >
> > Yet its inherently about attacking the right of free market businesses
> > to make money out of their business activities
> >

> Really? So you're disputing that IBM are making big money out of a GPL'd
> operating system?


Its a means to an end for IBM
THeir primary interes it making money by whatever means
That includes selling punch cards machines to the Nazis to use in
concentration camps
Many big corporates are happy do do deals with commie governments
The[politics is irrelevant for large corporations

The only reason the commies FOsses arent flaming Ibm left right and
centre is it makes linux look credible but as soon as Ibm made linux
look useless then they would all be shooting Ibm down in flames just as
they mercielessly attack every company that competes againsty Linux

>
> > The zealots of open source loudly proclaim that the commercial business
> > model based on proprietary code is wrong and attack the licensing models
> > and intellectual property rights at every turn
> >

> As is their right, no? Freedom of expression, etc etc.


Says a lot about them and their beliefs

> Their position is that software ought to be a commodity, with money
> charged for services associated with supporting and extending that
> software. They're certainly not against people making money, contrary to
> your suggestion.


They are opposed to peple making money from IP that's for sure

>
> > Practically every open source zealot I have encountered is a lefty and
> > its easy to see how open source would fulfill socialist goals

>
> Open source also enables good governance. It forces openness on the civil
> service, which I would've thought would be quite amenable to your desire
> for small, accountable government?


Totally twisted
Open source is more about getting Microsoft or other big corpoirations
out of selling their software to goverments

> Or have I mis-read your intentions and
> you're actually fully against the state having to put the best interests
> of the citizenry above any and every other consideration (especially above
> pumping up the balance sheet of convicted foreign monopolists)?


See there you go
Hate Microsoft
Dont see any Hate Ibm yet they were in the antitrust courts for a lot
longer and really just got off on a tecnicality

Microsoft makes good software that lots of people use and which is
reliable and effective

FOSSies try to persuade us that softeare that only about 5% of people
use is better than waht 90% of people use and which suits their purposes
 
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Have A Nice Cup of Tea
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      03-24-2006
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:58:06 +1200, RJ wrote:

> FOSSies try to persuade us that softeare that only about 5% of people
> use is better than waht 90% of people use and which suits their purposes


Apache - Open Source software that is used by the vast bulk of all
websites, and therefore also by the vast bulk of all people using those
websites.

Sendmail, Fetchmail, pop3 - all Open Source software used by the bast bulk
of all people sending email.

Unix - either the proprietary versions (AIX, Solaris, HPUX), or the Open
Source versions (Linux, *BSD) is quite clearly the dominant OS supporting
the Internet today, as no other OS is both appropriately scaled, AND
capable of handling the workload of the Internet.


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RJ
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      03-24-2006
In article <(E-Mail Removed)>, (E-Mail Removed) says...
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 15:58:06 +1200, RJ wrote:
>
> > FOSSies try to persuade us that softeare that only about 5% of people
> > use is better than waht 90% of people use and which suits their purposes

>
> Apache - Open Source software that is used by the vast bulk of all
> websites, and therefore also by the vast bulk of all people using those
> websites.


Not that vast - IIS has gained significant market share in recent years


>
> Sendmail, Fetchmail, pop3 - all Open Source software used by the bast bulk
> of all people sending email.
>
> Unix - either the proprietary versions (AIX, Solaris, HPUX), or the Open
> Source versions (Linux, *BSD) is quite clearly the dominant OS supporting
> the Internet today, as no other OS is both appropriately scaled, AND
> capable of handling the workload of the Internet.


What a load of rubbish
Plenty of big sites running on IIS
 
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