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At least, that's if we can trust Juha's reporting

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...25711E00732501

According to that article, the report uses outdated information about
plans from providers overseas and compares them with the as-yet-unreleased
plans that have been announced by Telecom.
It also doesn't compare with anything other than first-gen ADSL
connections - ignoring fibre, wireless, cable, and ADSL2+.

The report is so inaccurate that 21 out of 30 of the comparison plans have
been superseded or have dropped in price since the data that was used was
gathered.

--
Matthew Poole
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

"Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
news...
> At least, that's if we can trust Juha's reporting
>
> http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...25711E00732501
>
> According to that article, the report uses outdated information about
> plans from providers overseas and compares them with the as-yet-unreleased
> plans that have been announced by Telecom.
> It also doesn't compare with anything other than first-gen ADSL
> connections - ignoring fibre, wireless, cable, and ADSL2+.
>
> The report is so inaccurate that 21 out of 30 of the comparison plans have
> been superseded or have dropped in price since the data that was used was
> gathered.
>
> --
> Matthew Poole
> "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."



Excellent article. Many thanks for the link

One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
continues.

The Government recognises the issues - there is mounting consumer, media and
competitive pressure to act and break this rotten cycle we are caught up in.
I only hope that we do not stall at the last minute again - a typical kiwi
trait over the past few years - "so close yet so far".

As Annette Presley pointed out last year - "One would question why is the
government propping up a foreign owned monopoly and supporting its control
of the NZ market"

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +1300, someone purporting to be Dave didst
scrawl:

>
> "Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
> news...
*SNIP*
> One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
> continues.
>
The sheeple are finally getting the message, it seems. John Campbell
actually did a remarkably good job of "dummy-ifying" the concepts on his
show the other night, which will help.

> The Government recognises the issues - there is mounting consumer, media and
> competitive pressure to act and break this rotten cycle we are caught up in.
> I only hope that we do not stall at the last minute again - a typical kiwi
> trait over the past few years - "so close yet so far".
>
One of the key components that was missing in the past was public outrage
by the PM. Since Cabinet acts merely as an advisory body for the PM's
final decision, if the PM isn't on-side it doesn't matter how persuasive
the arguments are. Now that Helen is on the record as being distinctly
unimpressed with progress the likelihood of real action is greater than
it's ever been. Still not one, but further from zero than in the past.

> As Annette Presley pointed out last year - "One would question why is the
> government propping up a foreign owned monopoly and supporting its control
> of the NZ market"

Largest traded volume and hundreds-of-millions of dollars of taxes is
quite a large stick to wave.

--
Matthew Poole
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

Dave wrote:
> "Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
> news...
>> At least, that's if we can trust Juha's reporting
>>
>> http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...25711E00732501
>>
>> According to that article, the report uses outdated information about
>> plans from providers overseas and compares them with the as-yet-unreleased
>> plans that have been announced by Telecom.
>> It also doesn't compare with anything other than first-gen ADSL
>> connections - ignoring fibre, wireless, cable, and ADSL2+.
>>
>> The report is so inaccurate that 21 out of 30 of the comparison plans have
>> been superseded or have dropped in price since the data that was used was
>> gathered.
>>
>> --
>> Matthew Poole
>> "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
>
>
>
> Excellent article. Many thanks for the link
>
> One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
> continues.

Well, something (whatever it is) has got to happen *far* faster than
anything to date; anything not done and dusted before the next election
will be reversed by Maurice Williamson if National get back in.

Frankly, I'll be surprised if Labour can achieve anything significant in
that timeframe.

In article <NLJLf.154251$>,
says...
>
> "Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
> news...
> > At least, that's if we can trust Juha's reporting
> >
> > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...25711E00732501
> >
[snip]
>
>
> Excellent article. Many thanks for the link
>
> One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
> continues.
[snip]

I felt inspired by this to do a very quick and insignificant bit of research of
my own.
t-online.de (German Telecom, very conservative usually) 2Mbit down, 192 kbit up
19.99 Euro/month, no data cap mentioned (NZ$35.80)
demon.co.uk 2 Mbit down, 250kbit up, contention 50:1, no data cap mentioned,
19.99 quid/month (that's about 52 bucks)

Hmmm. Well, I want my breakfast so I won't look any further just now

-P.


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Matthew Poole wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:09:13 +1300, someone purporting to be Dave
> didst scrawl:
>
>>
>> "Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
>> news...
> *SNIP*
>> One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
>> continues.
>>
> The sheeple are finally getting the message, it seems. John Campbell
> actually did a remarkably good job of "dummy-ifying" the concepts on
> his show the other night, which will help.

I agree. I watch very little TV outside of a few selected shows (Mainly
"House") but have seen Campbell before and thought he wasn't bad. Now that
assesment has been revised upwards to 'pretty good'.

>> The Government recognises the issues - there is mounting consumer,
>> media and competitive pressure to act and break this rotten cycle we
>> are caught up in. I only hope that we do not stall at the last
>> minute again - a typical kiwi trait over the past few years - "so
>> close yet so far".
>>
> One of the key components that was missing in the past was public
> outrage by the PM. Since Cabinet acts merely as an advisory body for
> the PM's final decision, if the PM isn't on-side it doesn't matter
> how persuasive the arguments are. Now that Helen is on the record as
> being distinctly unimpressed with progress the likelihood of real
> action is greater than it's ever been. Still not one, but further
> from zero than in the past.

I actually think that something may be done and we (internet connection
consumers) may benefit from it this time. However, there better be a clause
in whatever they mandate to stop Telecom dragging it's feet. We all know how
good it is at that.

>> As Annette Presley pointed out last year - "One would question why
>> is the government propping up a foreign owned monopoly and
>> supporting its control of the NZ market"
>
> Largest traded volume and hundreds-of-millions of dollars of taxes is
> quite a large stick to wave.

Yeah. About time 'we' stopped being bullied by corporations waving sticks in
a threatening manner though. So whta if the Telecom share price drops? It
ain't like it'll put us into a depression of any size. It'll be all gone and
forgotten in very little time.
--
~misfit~

In article <NLJLf.154251$>,
says...
>
> "Matthew Poole" <> wrote in message
> news...
> > At least, that's if we can trust Juha's reporting
> >
> > http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...25711E00732501
> >
> > According to that article, the report uses outdated information about
> > plans from providers overseas and compares them with the as-yet-unreleased
> > plans that have been announced by Telecom.
> > It also doesn't compare with anything other than first-gen ADSL
> > connections - ignoring fibre, wireless, cable, and ADSL2+.
> >
> > The report is so inaccurate that 21 out of 30 of the comparison plans have
> > been superseded or have dropped in price since the data that was used was
> > gathered.
> >
> > --
> > Matthew Poole
> > "Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."
>
>
>
> Excellent article. Many thanks for the link
>
> One thing has become apparent - momentum has now gathered. I hope it
> continues.
>
> The Government recognises the issues - there is mounting consumer, media and
> competitive pressure to act and break this rotten cycle we are caught up in.
> I only hope that we do not stall at the last minute again - a typical kiwi
> trait over the past few years - "so close yet so far".
>
> As Annette Presley pointed out last year - "One would question why is the
> government propping up a foreign owned monopoly and supporting its control
> of the NZ market"

Ho ho ho
Telecom is a NZ owned company as by law they have to be.
The government is not propping them up as Annette Presley claims. Her
impartiality is suspect as she heads a company which sought to suck
money out of telecom by exploiting a loophole in their operating
practices (call termination fees used to subsidise the operation of
ISPs).

TelstraClear and Ihug, major players in the Internet market, are both
foreign owned. Get a perspective for goodness sakes.

T'was the Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:50:32 +1300 when I remembered "~misfit~"
<> saying something like this:

>Yeah. About time 'we' stopped being bullied by corporations waving sticks in
>a threatening manner though. So whta if the Telecom share price drops? It
>ain't like it'll put us into a depression of any size. It'll be all gone and
>forgotten in very little time.

Probably doesn't give confidence to foreign investors.
--
Cheers,

Waylon Kenning.
See my blog at http://spaces.msn.com/WaylonKenning/

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:43:22 +1300, someone purporting to be Rob J didst
scrawl:

> In article <NLJLf.154251$>,
> says...
*SNIP*
> The government is not propping them up as Annette Presley claims. Her
> impartiality is suspect as she heads a company which sought to suck
> money out of telecom by exploiting a loophole in their operating
> practices (call termination fees used to subsidise the operation of
> ISPs).
>
*SNIP*

Now, hang on a second Rob. You're all for Telecom operating within the
letter of the law, but heaven forbid that anyone else find a way to
maltreat Telecom through the letter of one of their contracts. Which is
it?
Either it's acceptable for anyone to stick strictly to the letter and
the spirit be damned, or everyone must stick to both the letter and the
spirit. Pick a side. A novelty for you, I'm sure, but do, please, try. If
you want to rail against me for wanting Telecom to play a straight game,
you cannot then rail against Slingshot for taking advantage of a contract
that Telecom was party to negotiating.

--
Matthew Poole
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."