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shannon
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      02-21-2006
Tony wrote:
>>> The issue is NOT Southern Cross, it is Telecom's overloaded last
>>> decade ATM backbone within this country.

>>
>> So what is the current best solution to that ?

>
> Telecom needs to get moving and migrate the DSL network to their new IP
> backbone, or at least change their profit expectations for the ATM network.


It looks as if all we will see from isps under the current regime is
retailing of telecoms wholesale access, just arbitrage based on how much
traffic shaping you can get away with, its very reminiscent of complex
on peak off peak cellphone deals.


Is local loop unbundling practical or desirable from your point of view
as an informed isp tech person ?

At what level in the exchanges does that normally take place in other
countries ?
 
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Tony
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      02-22-2006
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> Is local loop unbundling practical or desirable from your point of view
> as an informed isp tech person ?
>
> At what level in the exchanges does that normally take place in other
> countries ?


The problem is unbundling will not necessarily solve the problem, if you
look what happened in Australia, while the problem is not as bad it's
not far off. The big issue is Telecom needs to be taught who is boss,
unbundling by itself will just mean that Telecom will continue to pull
out all the dirty tricks like Telstra has. (only run fiber to an area so
ISP's need to try and fit their gear in roadside cabinets and then still
have to pay the telco for backhaul).
What really needs to happen is splitting the wholesale and retail
devisions of Telecom and preventing any underhanded or sneaky deals. (IE
offer ISP A.B.O a discount so they can say someone is happy with things
how they are). Make sure the wholesale devision really has to sell
things at the SAME price to Xtra as they do to the smallest ISP (that
stops the, "we are really big so we sell it really cheap to ourselves"
problem), and remove crazy artificial barriers like demanding
$4000/month to land a 155Mb/s ATM link to the ISP.
ISP's don't mind paying Telecom to use their network, but to quote the
Telecom person who sat in my office to discuss UBS - "You obviously
don't understand, I'm not here to discuss or negotiate the matter, I'm
here to tell you the way it is".
This means, we will charge you whatever silly damn thing we can think of
("churn fees" !!!!! ATM and port charges) and you can take it or leave
it. To even break even on UBS you need 3000 customers, now there is a
good business model eh.
 
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~misfit~
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      02-22-2006
Tony wrote:
>> Is local loop unbundling practical or desirable from your point of
>> view as an informed isp tech person ?
>>
>> At what level in the exchanges does that normally take place in other
>> countries ?

>
> The problem is unbundling will not necessarily solve the problem, if
> you look what happened in Australia, while the problem is not as bad
> it's not far off. The big issue is Telecom needs to be taught who is
> boss, unbundling by itself will just mean that Telecom will continue
> to pull out all the dirty tricks like Telstra has. (only run fiber to
> an area so ISP's need to try and fit their gear in roadside cabinets
> and then still have to pay the telco for backhaul).
> What really needs to happen is splitting the wholesale and retail
> devisions of Telecom and preventing any underhanded or sneaky deals.
> (IE offer ISP A.B.O a discount so they can say someone is happy with
> things how they are). Make sure the wholesale devision really has to
> sell things at the SAME price to Xtra as they do to the smallest ISP
> (that stops the, "we are really big so we sell it really cheap to
> ourselves" problem), and remove crazy artificial barriers like
> demanding $4000/month to land a 155Mb/s ATM link to the ISP.
> ISP's don't mind paying Telecom to use their network, but to quote the
> Telecom person who sat in my office to discuss UBS - "You obviously
> don't understand, I'm not here to discuss or negotiate the matter, I'm
> here to tell you the way it is".
> This means, we will charge you whatever silly damn thing we can think
> of ("churn fees" !!!!! ATM and port charges) and you can take it or
> leave it. To even break even on UBS you need 3000 customers, now
> there is a good business model eh.


I agree with you Tony. Leave the local loop as-is. (It makes for a good
threat anytime Telecom try to pull a fast one. I mean, really, it could be
unbundled anytime with no other reason given as they didn't meet the
agreed-to quota of wholesale customers last year and that was the
arrangement. Don't meet the quota, lose the LL) Just seperate Xtra from
Telecom and make sure that the books are *very* available to the givt. to
enure that all ISP's are on a level playing field. Oh, and force them to
offer plans with realistic upload speeds and less people per whojimmy-thing.
What is it now? 184 or something stupid? No wonder I don't think I've even
hit 1M download in the nearly two weeks I've been on a 2M plan with Actrix.
They tell me there's nothing they can do, as much as they'd like to. Nice
people those Actrix helpdesk workers. Not at all like the people at Orcon. I
mean, it's nice that they try to give people from the IHC work but I think
they're out of their depth.
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