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Andrew wrote:
> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going very
> very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour, Nero counts
> down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its not even a third the
> way through writing
>
> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and i start
> writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause and 1-2 mins
> later it would start again
>
>
> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide cable as
> the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it) and the dvd writer
> sped up - back to normal speed
>
>
> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>
> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
Assumption one

using WinXP

Assumption two

data errors


Win XP if it gets data errors It will change the dma settings for the
ide channels. When I set this machine up things went bad due to a neer
shot IDE cable. the fun and games of getting DMA working! in the eng
google came up with the answer. it for me was uninstalling the IDE
primary and secondary and letting windows sort its self out on re boot

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~misfit~ wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> Grant wrote:
>>> "Andrew" <> wrote in message
>>> news:fnWAf.19533$...
>>>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going
>>>> very very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour,
>>>> Nero counts down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its
>>>> not even a third the way through writing
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and
>>>> i start writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause
>>>> and 1-2 mins later it would start again
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide
>>>> cable as the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it)
>>>> and the dvd writer sped up - back to normal speed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>>>
>>>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was
>>>> bad
>>> Did you check that the IDE controller has not reverted to PIO mode
>>> instead of Ultra DMA.
>>> Look in the device manager under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
>>> Primary or Secondary IDE Channel, Properties, Advanced settings
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Yeap, Sorry forgot to mention that, Its ultra dma mode 2 (dvd) dma 5
>> (hard drive)
>
> IDE timing fault with the mp3 drive? Can you try it as primary slave? See if
> it slows down the main HDD. Maybe the HDD is borked.
Its currently slaved off the OS drive and does not appear to have
affected the running of the computer

Dvd writer performance goes back to normal then - but only when that
hard drive is slaved with the OS drive

Dave Taylor wrote:
> Andrew <> wrote in news:fnWAf.19533$vH5.907539
> @news.xtra.co.nz:
>
>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>
>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
>
> Master /slave or Cable Select. Check the jumpers and positions of the
> devices on the cable. Check the cable by swapping it out with a known good
> one.
>
Dvd writer is master
Hard drive is slave

Ive swapped the cable with no difference

GraB wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 14:32:59 +1300, Andrew
> <> wrote:
>
>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going very
>> very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour, Nero counts
>> down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its not even a third the
>> way through writing
>>
>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and i start
>> writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause and 1-2 mins
>> later it would start again
>>
>>
>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide cable as
>> the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it) and the dvd writer
>> sped up - back to normal speed
>>
>>
>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>
>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
>
> How many drives do you have? Three?
>
> DVD writers work best when jumpered and connected as Master. Best
> have the hard drives on the first channel and the DVD writer on the
> second channel.

Three hard drives and one dvd writer

Ive currently unplugged the slave drive off the primary channel and put
the mp3 drive onto that and now the dvd drive is by its self and is happy

Collector»NZ wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going very
>> very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour, Nero counts
>> down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its not even a third
>> the way through writing
>>
>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and i
>> start writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause and 1-2
>> mins later it would start again
>>
>>
>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide cable as
>> the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it) and the dvd
>> writer sped up - back to normal speed
>>
>>
>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>
>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
> Check that the drive running the buffer space and any temp files for the
> writer program is not full or being used excessively by some other
> application
>

Another thing to note - The mp3 drive is very full... will that make any
differnce?

The buffer space for nero would be on the C drive right?

Robert Cooze wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going very
>> very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour, Nero counts
>> down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its not even a third
>> the way through writing
>>
>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and i
>> start writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause and 1-2
>> mins later it would start again
>>
>>
>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide cable as
>> the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it) and the dvd
>> writer sped up - back to normal speed
>>
>>
>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>
>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
> Assumption one
>
> using WinXP
>
> Assumption two
>
> data errors
>
>
> Win XP if it gets data errors It will change the dma settings for the
> ide channels. When I set this machine up things went bad due to a neer
> shot IDE cable. the fun and games of getting DMA working! in the eng
> google came up with the answer. it for me was uninstalling the IDE
> primary and secondary and letting windows sort its self out on re boot
>

I could try re installing the chipset/ide drivers - During the burn i
have checked dma settings and they have not changed

Andrew wrote:
> ~misfit~ wrote:
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> Grant wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" <> wrote in message
>>>> news:fnWAf.19533$...
>>>>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going
>>>>> very very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour,
>>>>> Nero counts down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its
>>>>> not even a third the way through writing
>>>>>
>>>>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and
>>>>> i start writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause
>>>>> and 1-2 mins later it would start again
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide
>>>>> cable as the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it)
>>>>> and the dvd writer sped up - back to normal speed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>>>>
>>>>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was
>>>>> bad
>>>> Did you check that the IDE controller has not reverted to PIO mode
>>>> instead of Ultra DMA.
>>>> Look in the device manager under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
>>>> Primary or Secondary IDE Channel, Properties, Advanced settings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Yeap, Sorry forgot to mention that, Its ultra dma mode 2 (dvd) dma 5
>>> (hard drive)
>>
>> IDE timing fault with the mp3 drive? Can you try it as primary
>> slave? See if it slows down the main HDD. Maybe the HDD is borked.
> Its currently slaved off the OS drive and does not appear to have
> affected the running of the computer
>
> Dvd writer performance goes back to normal then - but only when that
> hard drive is slaved with the OS drive

But how is OS responsiveness? In short, does that mp3 drive affect the
Primay master in a similar way to which it affected the DVD-RW?

Maybe try a before and after HDD test on the primary master. (ATTO disk
benchmark is a v.small download and should suffice for this).
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~misfit~

~misfit~ wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> ~misfit~ wrote:
>>> Andrew wrote:
>>>> Grant wrote:
>>>>> "Andrew" <> wrote in message
>>>>> news:fnWAf.19533$...
>>>>>> I hae noticed in the past week or so that my dvd writer is going
>>>>>> very very slow, Burning dvds take forever - more then an hour,
>>>>>> Nero counts down the time remaining and it gets to zero and its
>>>>>> not even a third the way through writing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yesterday i found that while playing music from the computer and
>>>>>> i start writing a dvd during the lead in the music would pause
>>>>>> and 1-2 mins later it would start again
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I unplugged the hard drive that was connected to the same ide
>>>>>> cable as the dvd writer (same drive that has the music on it)
>>>>>> and the dvd writer sped up - back to normal speed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was
>>>>>> bad
>>>>> Did you check that the IDE controller has not reverted to PIO mode
>>>>> instead of Ultra DMA.
>>>>> Look in the device manager under IDE ATA/ATAPI controllers,
>>>>> Primary or Secondary IDE Channel, Properties, Advanced settings
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Yeap, Sorry forgot to mention that, Its ultra dma mode 2 (dvd) dma 5
>>>> (hard drive)
>>> IDE timing fault with the mp3 drive? Can you try it as primary
>>> slave? See if it slows down the main HDD. Maybe the HDD is borked.
>> Its currently slaved off the OS drive and does not appear to have
>> affected the running of the computer
>>
>> Dvd writer performance goes back to normal then - but only when that
>> hard drive is slaved with the OS drive
>
> But how is OS responsiveness? In short, does that mp3 drive affect the
> Primay master in a similar way to which it affected the DVD-RW?
>
> Maybe try a before and after HDD test on the primary master. (ATTO disk
> benchmark is a v.small download and should suffice for this).
I havnt noticed anything but i will give the before/after test a run

Andrew wrote:
> Dave Taylor wrote:
>> Andrew <> wrote in
>> news:fnWAf.19533$vH5.907539 @news.xtra.co.nz:
>>
>>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>>
>>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
>>
>> Master /slave or Cable Select. Check the jumpers and positions of
>> the devices on the cable. Check the cable by swapping it out with a
>> known good one.
>>
> Dvd writer is master
> Hard drive is slave
>
> Ive swapped the cable with no difference

Good troubleshooting technique. You know that modern DVD-RW's need an 80
wire cable? (Sorry if this has already been covered).
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~misfit~

~misfit~ wrote:
> Andrew wrote:
>> Dave Taylor wrote:
>>> Andrew <> wrote in
>>> news:fnWAf.19533$vH5.907539 @news.xtra.co.nz:
>>>
>>>> Why would a hard drive hold back the dvd writer so much??
>>>>
>>>> Even when im not using that hard drive the dvd performance was bad
>>> Master /slave or Cable Select. Check the jumpers and positions of
>>> the devices on the cable. Check the cable by swapping it out with a
>>> known good one.
>>>
>> Dvd writer is master
>> Hard drive is slave
>>
>> Ive swapped the cable with no difference
>
> Good troubleshooting technique. You know that modern DVD-RW's need an 80
> wire cable? (Sorry if this has already been covered).
Yeap

I had a brand new 80 wire cable which i put in - unforntatly no difference

Thanks for all your suggestions though