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just a fyi for thoes who are intrested

Visual Studio .net 2005 has just been RTM'd and it brings along with it a
lot of good tools, however for the rest of us mortals who dont have access
to a MSDN Subscription or a healthy bank balance Microsoft have developed
a set of development tools (targeted towards casual / hobby developers) called
Visual Studio Express Editions.

Visual Studio Express editions come in several flavors :

Visual Basic Express (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vb/)
C# Express (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualcsharp/)
J# Express (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualj/)
C++ Express (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/visualc/)
These flavours are all Windows Forms only application development environments.
The limitations are language specific and only windows apps.

and
Visual Web Developer Express (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/vwd/)
Which will give you C#, VB.Net and J# languages but only for web development

once you have downloaded what you want you will need to register why ?

you need a registration key to allow the product to continue working past
30 days - registration will get you one for free
you get a royalty free image pack with 250 images in it
you get an icon suite - over 100 icons for no charge
you get free components, ebooks an articles to help you improve your coding
skills quickly

more registration benefits here (http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/express/register/)

full credit to Darryl Burlings (windows mobile mvp) blog - which i shamelessly
swiped the info from

if your on the end of a dialup connection email me and i can get something
sorted for the ultra cheap price of a return envelope and blank disk

my email addy - steven [dot] higgan [the@sign] orcon [dot] net [dot] nz

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the madGeek

Steven H wrote:
> just a fyi for thoes who are intrested
>
> Visual Studio .net 2005 has just been RTM'd and it brings along with it
> a lot of good tools, however for the rest of us mortals who dont have
> access to a MSDN Subscription or a healthy bank balance Microsoft have
> developed a set of development tools (targeted towards casual / hobby
> developers) called Visual Studio Express Editions.

One thing that isn't obvious from my two minute look at the Visual C++
pages or the FAQ is if the resulting binaries are distributable. Is
there any restrictions on using them for commercial purposes?

Also, how does the IDE compare with MSVC 6?

The Other Guy

Hello Other Guy,

> ... is if the resulting binaries are distributable ... commercial purposes
....

i cant give you the answer to thoes questions (havent even downloaded them
yet) however i will ask somebody who should know and get back to you.

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the madGeek

> Steven H wrote:
>
>> just a fyi for thoes who are intrested
>>
>> Visual Studio .net 2005 has just been RTM'd and it brings along with
>> it a lot of good tools, however for the rest of us mortals who dont
>> have access to a MSDN Subscription or a healthy bank balance
>> Microsoft have developed a set of development tools (targeted towards
>> casual / hobby developers) called Visual Studio Express Editions.
>>
> One thing that isn't obvious from my two minute look at the Visual C++
> pages or the FAQ is if the resulting binaries are distributable. Is
> there any restrictions on using them for commercial purposes?
>
> Also, how does the IDE compare with MSVC 6?
>
> The Other Guy
>

Hello Other Guy,

just an update on your question

> ... commercial purposes

according to http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...t.aspx#general

4. Can I use Express Editions for commercial use?
Yes, there are no licensing restrictions for applications built using the
Express Editions.

as for

> ... is if the resulting binaries are distributable

what do you mean by distributable, as in compiling to a C++ executable (no
managed runtime), or distributable as in licencing restrictions ?

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the madGeek

> Steven H wrote:
>
>> just a fyi for thoes who are intrested
>>
>> Visual Studio .net 2005 has just been RTM'd and it brings along with
>> it a lot of good tools, however for the rest of us mortals who dont
>> have access to a MSDN Subscription or a healthy bank balance
>> Microsoft have developed a set of development tools (targeted towards
>> casual / hobby developers) called Visual Studio Express Editions.
>>
> One thing that isn't obvious from my two minute look at the Visual C++
> pages or the FAQ is if the resulting binaries are distributable. Is
> there any restrictions on using them for commercial purposes?
>
> Also, how does the IDE compare with MSVC 6?
>
> The Other Guy
>

Steven H wrote:
> Hello Other Guy,
>
> just an update on your question
>
>> ... commercial purposes
>
> according to
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...t.aspx#general
>
> 4. Can I use Express Editions for commercial use? Yes, there are no
> licensing restrictions for applications built using the Express Editions.
>
> as for
>
>> ... is if the resulting binaries are distributable
>
> what do you mean by distributable, as in compiling to a C++ executable
> (no managed runtime), or distributable as in licencing restrictions ?
>

Thanks Steven. I was mainly concerned with licensing restrictions. I'll
give it a try, but chances are I'll still continue to cross-compile for
Win32 on FreeBSD.

The Other Guy

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 06:27:48 +0000 (UTC), Steven H
<> wrote:

>just a fyi for thoes who are intrested
>
>Visual Studio .net 2005 has just been RTM'd and it brings along with it a
>lot of good tools, however for the rest of us mortals who dont have access
>to a MSDN Subscription or a healthy bank balance Microsoft have developed
>a set of development tools (targeted towards casual / hobby developers) called
>Visual Studio Express Editions.
....
Last time I checked the express version of C++ does not come with MFC
libraries which is a big restriction.

Bruce http://www.baggins.co.nz
http://physio.otago.ac.nz

Bruce Knox wrote:

> ...
> Last time I checked the express version of C++ does not come with MFC
> libraries which is a big restriction.
>

Yes, but there is a simple process to download the PSDK and enable
those features.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/ex...k/default.aspx

Hello Bruce,

> Last time I checked the express version of C++ does not come with MFC
> libraries which is a big restriction.

honestly i think it depends on where you come from, what type of development
you do to whether it is such a restriction.

take myself for example, been programming at some level for damn near 10
years dabbled with assembly, pascal, c++ visual basic, but i choose to use
c# - not just because its 'new and shiny' but because it is the way windows
development is going.

what sort of development do you do ? are you looking after some older software
written in mfc ?

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the madGeek

Steven H wrote:
> Hello Bruce,
>
>> Last time I checked the express version of C++ does not come with MFC
>> libraries which is a big restriction.
>
> honestly i think it depends on where you come from, what type of
> development you do to whether it is such a restriction.
....
>
> what sort of development do you do ? are you looking after some older
> software written in mfc ?

I still be in the dark ages. I don't see any need for fancy things like
C++. Still code in C, not likely to change anytime soon.

The Other Guy

The Other Guy wrote:
> I still be in the dark ages.

No, that isn't old English, I just stuffed up.

"I must still be in the dark ages".

The Other Guy