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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 23:06:53 +1300, Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<_zealand> wrote:

>In article <>,
> GraB <> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>China's claim that Taiwan is just a province of China is invalid as
>>>>>>>>the legitimate government of China were forced to retreat to Taiwan by
>>>>>>>>the communists, who never took Taiwan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's like saying that the legitimate government of the original 13 US
>>>>>>>colonies was forced to retreat to Canada by the pro-independence
>>>>>>>fighters.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not quite the same.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why not?
>>>>
>>>>Totally different situation. For one thing the Communist Chinese
>>>>weren't throwing off 'outside' rule and going for their own
>>>>independence.
>>>
>>>The Chinese had just been through a bit of a war of independence against
>>>the Colonialist Japanese, didn't they? And before that against the
>>>British and other Western powers, didn't they?
>>
>>China was not a colony of Japan. Japan set up Manchuria as a country,
>>recognised only by Japan, Germany and Italy, but that returned to
>>China after invasion by the Soviets.
>>
>>China at the time of domination by Western powers was a politically
>>fragmented country, much under control of warlords, with an
>>inefficient outmoded and cumbersome government.
>
>I thought you said it was a "legitimate" government.

It was after the Western-educated Sun Yat-sen, widely regarded as the
father of modern China, did much to unite the country and take on the
warlords and his successor Chang Kai-shek continued the work.

In article <>,
says...
> GraB wrote:
>
> > China's claim that Taiwan is just a province of China is invalid as
> > the legitimate government of China were forced to retreat to Taiwan by
> > the communists, who never took Taiwan.**Many*countries,*like*NZ,*are
> > being forced to recognise China as legitimate and accept China's 'one
> > China' policy, as PM Clark has done, to get access to China's large
> > markets.**In*a*way*it*sucks.
>
> To be fair, It was Norman Kirk's Labour government that first recognised
> Beijing as the capital of one China........in 1972.

Fellow fraternal socialist allies, figures.

In article <>,
says...
> Rob J wrote:
>
>
> > Countries that are not kowtowing to Beijing - good on them.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> > Practically everyone else has bowed to threats, blandishments and bribes
> > from the PRC.
>
> They want to make money. They are supported by political parties backed by
> people whose primary focus is money - not human rights or democracy.

And yet it's you who comes on these groups telling us communism is dead
in China.