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Researcher fears digital photos will be lost to future generations

 
 
Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      09-28-2005
Shane wrote:
>>>>Yes this is a Big problem
>>>>http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12447
>>>Hype and FUD.


>>Not for most people.
>>The average home user never backs up a hard drive at all. They run til
>>they crash...and then moan about that darned PC.


> and then complain to Fair Go that the HDD should be recovered under
> warrenty :\


heh, it is... but the data isn't.

I have a true hatred of Fair go at the moment, especially over their
coverage of Ipod "faults"...

"Little Jimmy put his Ipod in his pocket, and when he took it out, the
screen was broken"

yeah, like it happened with no sort of interferrance. I'm not saying
that Apple couldn't have been a bit nicer about replacement screens($279
from memory), but still when I was a lad mumble mumble mumble...

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      09-29-2005
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:33:35 +1200, Alan wrote:

> Missing the point in my opinion.
>
> Based on what I and most of the people I know do, the CD / DVD backups
> are just that - backups.
>
> All of our photos are kept on our HDDs.


Sorry. wrong. Photos onto CD/DVD, 2 copies. Good ones printed to plastic.
Many of you will think it is paper you get back from the processor.

Hint, does it soak up water like paper?

 
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      09-29-2005
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:16:36 +1000, Harry wrote:

> With everyone taking GB worth of photos the value
> of photos is plummetting towards zero.


Yes and no.


With everyone taking GB worth of photos the value
the photos is plummetting is the same at it always has been. An image
recorded in time.

It will be important to someone at some time. Keep all pictures/photos.
 
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Gordon
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      09-29-2005
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 14:48:22 +1200, Chris Hope wrote:

> So what happens if the house burns down and the hard drives and dvds are
> unrecoverable?


Many records have been lost to fire, many more will be.

 
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      09-29-2005
"Gordon" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 18:33:35 +1200, Alan wrote:
>
>> Missing the point in my opinion.
>>
>> Based on what I and most of the people I know do, the CD / DVD
>> backups are just that - backups.
>>
>> All of our photos are kept on our HDDs.

>
> Sorry. wrong. Photos onto CD/DVD, 2 copies. Good ones printed to
> plastic. Many of you will think it is paper you get back from the
> processor.
>
> Hint, does it soak up water like paper?
>


Why am I wrong? Where is the gap in my system?

I cannot see how, under any circumstances, we could lose more than the
photos that we have 'just taken' and haven't yet made it into the
backup cycle (akin to photos on film still in a 35mm camera).

In fact, for us, our backups are approaching the safest they could
possibly be. Our old backup CDs / DVDs get posted by snail mail to
relatives in the UK / Ireland, and occasionally to the USA. They know
they aren't the most up to date, but if they want to see photos from
last week, they can get them on Fotango or by email if they want.

At any time - today or in the future - we will be able to reproduce
any of those images onto the media of choice at the time from either
the current HDD or a backup that is no more than a month or so old.

Specifically, where is the gap? If there is one, I definately want to
know!

Alan.

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      09-29-2005
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:30:40 +1200, ffotherington-Thomas wrote:

> Like my cousin who had much of our family's genealogy info stored
> off-site until the store had a major fire.


A copy, not much.

>
> The only safe(ish) method is multiple copies in multiple formats stored
> at multiple locations.


YES!! This is the rule of backups. make many and scatter then all over the
place.

And now gentle people let us remember that *digital* copies are so cheap
you can scatter them all over the place. Give them to your friends to look
after, and vica versa. One day one of you maybe greatful you did.
 
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      09-29-2005
On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 15:54:48 +1200, Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:

> I've just setup a local(Green Island, Dunedin) backup repositry(actually
> more like a local file repositry) for my neighbourhood... free access to
> all, you just have to ask for access.
>
> I have told all users(and made sure they understand) that security is
> their problem, ie, if they want it encrypted, or passworded, so I can't
> see it{not that I do}, they have to do it themselves.
>

Gentle people this is what we all should be doing. It is a bit like
Bittorrent in that we all help/share in what we want.

It is also a case of people helping themselves.

Think about people. At midnight all you data on your HD goes. Are you
worried? Do you have insurance? Okay, the premium (spelling is not
right)is that you have to spend some time *now* for future gains.


> I'm pretty sure there are probably some legal issues that I need to work
> out(copyright being a non-small one), so I probably need to contract
> myself out of some of this... might have to right something up when I
> get home.


You mean that some of the people will attack your arse should
things go wrong? Bugger!

Sad state of affairs, hence the concern of Dan,
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news/12447, Bell, but not for the reasons he gave.

Bugger!

 
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      09-29-2005
Gordon wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Sep 2005 13:16:36 +1000, Harry wrote:
>
>> With everyone taking GB worth of photos the value
>> of photos is plummetting towards zero.

>
> Yes and no.
>
>
> With everyone taking GB worth of photos the value
> the photos is plummetting is the same at it always has been. An image
> recorded in time.
>
> It will be important to someone at some time. Keep all pictures/photos.


You misunderstand what I mean by value.
Since there is an increasing likelihood that somebody else has the same
photo (or better) then the value of your particular photo becomes less.

 
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Fran
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      09-30-2005
Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
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>> Of course they need to be able to trust the
>> people storing their images...

>
> heh... might have to start a specialised one for adult images...
>


And we could call it "The Internet"

Fran

 
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