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In article <>,
TomV <> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:36:49 +1200, thing2 <>
>wrote:
>
>>So, a vote for National could well mean we end up accepting the IP laws
>>from the USA, how stupid can he get.....not to mention nuclear powered
>>ships....
>>
>>Can you say small NZ companies screwed over real fast by bloated US
>>companies, fast enough......?
>
>Personally I've been pretty happy Aus dived in before us. I'm far from
>convinced the gains of a pseudo FTA with the US outweigh the losses.
>I'm quite happy to see how it pans out for Aus

In the meantime, we're ahead of Aussie in the queue for a free-trade
agreement with China.

In a few decades at present rates of growth, China is going to be the
world's number-one economy.

In article <dge0n1$ivq$>, "Tim" <>
wrote:

>... [Labour] not restraining the extreme [G]reen policies ...

They did succeed in restraining the most extreme one--total opposition
to the lifting of the GM moratorium. After the Greens staged their
famous walkout, Labour went ahead and lifted it anyway. And what happens
now? It's no longer a "non-negotiable" Green policy, and Labour and the
Greens are friends again.

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:13:48 +1200, Joy wrote:

> I don't think we can trust any of them. Helen lied on numerours
> occasions and besides that Labour has squeezed our personal freedoms

I would like you to list these missing freedoms please.

> while at the same time liberating the sexual degenerates of our society.

Also please list these examples of sexual degenerates.

I am very keen to know.

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.... Brendan

#268247 +(3744)- [X]

<glacial> I love school
<glacial> Today our term paper due date's set
<glacial> Our instructor says that we WILL hand in the paper on time, and
she'll accept no excuses except illness, with a note from our doctor, or a
death in the immediate family, with a note from the dead member.
<glacial> So this wiseass pipes up: "What about extreme sexual
exhaustion?"
<glacial> She waits for the laughs to die down and says:
<glacial> "Well, I guess you'll have to learn to write with your other
hand"


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At that very moment, Tim turned to nz.comp and said
> There are so many business held
> back by bad employees that won't move and can't be pushed that it is holding
> up business and social good.

That's always the case in most societies . The only way to avoid it is
to go to a slave-labour kind of economy where employers do what they
like with employees. That leads to other inefficiences of course, then
the ineptitude just moves up the line to the managers.

There's no way to avoid human nature, and one part of that is to get
into a comfortable position and do just enough to avoid getting pushed
out.
--
aaronl at consultant dot com
For every expert, there is an equal and
opposite expert. - Arthur C. Clarke

Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> In article <>,
> TomV <> wrote:
>
>
>>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 11:36:49 +1200, thing2 <>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>>So, a vote for National could well mean we end up accepting the IP laws
>>
>>>from the USA, how stupid can he get.....not to mention nuclear powered
>>
>>>ships....
>>>
>>>Can you say small NZ companies screwed over real fast by bloated US
>>>companies, fast enough......?
>>
>>Personally I've been pretty happy Aus dived in before us. I'm far from
>>convinced the gains of a pseudo FTA with the US outweigh the losses.
>>I'm quite happy to see how it pans out for Aus
>
>
> In the meantime, we're ahead of Aussie in the queue for a free-trade
> agreement with China.
>
> In a few decades at present rates of growth, China is going to be the
> world's number-one economy.

Not even that long if you think of Asia as a whole. My understanding is
Asia will surpase the USA in terms of economy within a few years. The US
agreement will be a double edged sword, it will do NZ net damage the
saving grace will be if we really do have a referendum and NZers vote
not to take Nuclear ships.....

regards

Thing

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 17:13:48 +1200, Joy wrote:

> Labour has squeezed our personal freedoms while at the same
> time liberating the sexual degenerates of our society.

ohh bullshit !

what is it with people that think that that just because somebody bats for
the opposate team that they are somehow sexually degenerate - its nothing
more than puritan bullshit.

you know whats sexually degenerate ? when some preast sticks it up some
child, when some anally retentitave parents refuse to discuss birth
controll with their adolecent children, or even discuss the 'facts of life'
anything past 'play with it and you will need to chop it off in order to
not burn in hell'.

.... rant over

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Steven H

Daniel wrote:
> thing2 wrote:
>
>> So, a vote for National could well mean we end up accepting the IP
>> laws from the USA, how stupid can he get.....not to mention nuclear
>> powered ships....
>>
> If it means newegg and zipzoomfly will ship direct to NZ then he's got
> my vote

It's likely to mean the opposite - that Amazon and others won't any
more ship to NZ. If we pass the same IP laws as the have in the US, it
will not only be a criminal offence to play a Region 1 DVD here, it will
be a criminal offence to know how to hack the player, to sell a hacked
player, or to publish information about the system. That's all in the
DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) signed into law by Bill Clinton.
In effect, it also makes it illegal to reverse engineer anything to find
out how it works.

It's a law totally in contradiction to the Kiwi tradition.

It gets worse. It's now a Federal criminal offence in the US to have a
video camera in your possession in a cinema - so if you're on holiday
and decide on the spur of the moment to catch a movie you could well
land up in jail because you had your video camera with you.

And then there are the software patents, and the endless extensions of
copyright to push the public domain out of sight, and the 'broadcast
flag' imposed on digital tv signals to stop you making time-shifting
recordings, and the push to force Pharmac to py higher prices for
branded drugs rather than buying equal-quality generics...

We need to think very carefully what we would really get out of an FTA,
seeing that the subsidized US farming lobby will never ever open its
market to our competition, any more than it has to the Australians.

On balance, I don't believe that an FTA with the Americans will benefit
mainstream New Zealanders.


Philip

T'was the Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:49:07 +1200 when I remembered Steve H
<> saying something like this:

>you know whats sexually degenerate ? when some preast sticks it up some
>child, when some anally retentitave parents refuse to discuss birth
>controll with their adolecent children, or even discuss the 'facts of life'
>anything past 'play with it and you will need to chop it off in order to
>not burn in hell'.

But do you think these sexual degenerates would consider P1s as
routers, or would they use dedicated routers?
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Cheers,

Waylon Kenning.

On Sat, 17 Sep 2005 14:24:53 +1200, Waylon Kenning wrote:

> T'was the Sat, 17 Sep 2005 11:49:07 +1200 when I remembered Steve H
> <> saying something like this:
>
>>you know whats sexually degenerate ? when some preast sticks it up some
>>child, when some anally retentitave parents refuse to discuss birth
>>controll with their adolecent children, or even discuss the 'facts of life'
>>anything past 'play with it and you will need to chop it off in order to
>>not burn in hell'.
>
> But do you think these sexual degenerates would consider P1s as
> routers, or would they use dedicated routers?

P1... mabye not, there getting a bit long in the tooth - mabye as a last
resort

personally i prefer dedicated routers


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Steven H

Philip wrote:
> It's likely to mean the opposite

(articulate arguments against NZ-US FTA snipped)

You forgot one thing, Philip. USA never honours its side of FTAs.
Al Queda will convert to Christianity en masse before Kiwi farmers get
true unhampered access to US markets.

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Cheers
EB

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One who is not a liberal by age 40 has no heart.