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(Another) example of how Patents/IP laws Block Innovation

 
 
steve
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      08-13-2005
The funny thing here is that MP3-plyers have been around for years longer
than either of these companies patent application.

Mine is over 3 years old and wasn't made by either of these companies.

Just one more example of how intellectual property laws - these days - are
being used by the unscrupulous to block innovation and attempt monopolise
new technologies they didn't actually invent.

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http://www.informationweek.com/story...01205&tid=5978

Did Microsoft Invent The iPod? Aug. 12, 2005

According to the U.S. Patent Office, patent applications that cover much of
the technology associated with the iPod were submitted by Microsoft.

If you think Apple Computer's Steve Jobs invented the technology behind the
Apple iPod, don't bet your 60GB, 15,000-song model on it.

According to the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, patent applications that
cover much of the technology associated with the iPod were submitted by
Microsoft, which has been on a patents tear recently filing thousands of
patents.

If the patents hold up on appeal, Apple could be accountable for royalties
on the spectacularly successful iPod. Jobs and others associated with Apple
filed for patents covering the technology in October, 2002, but that
application was rejected by the patent office last month. AppleInsider.com
reported the rejection this week.

Apple won't take the matter lying down. "Apple invented and publicly
released the iPod interface before the Microsoft patent application cited
by the (patent) examiner was filed," said an Apple spokesperson in a
statement. Apple also noted that the firm has received other patents for
technology relating to the iPod and in addition has other patents pending
on the iPod.

The documents in the Patent Office do not mention the iPod by name. The
documents describe a "portable, pocked-sized multimedia asset player" that
can manipulate MP3 music files.

Microsoft's claim appears to center on the work of John C. Platt, a senior
researcher in the Knowledge Tools Group at Microsoft Research. According to
media reports, on behalf of Microsoft, Platt applied for the patent in May
of 2002 some five months before the Apple filing. Platt's application was
rejected in December 2004, but he amended it in April of this year and
Microsoft's pending patent was subsequently approved.

According to a citation on "Platt's home page, he and other colleagues at
Microsoft developed a paper in the 2001-2002 timeframe discussing AutoDJ,
"a system for automatically generating music playlists based on one or more
seed songs selected by a user."

Apple's iPod dominates the MP3 player market. The NPD Group has reported
that Apple has shipped nearly 22 million iPods. Predictions that Apple's
strength in the MP3 market would slip haven't borne out, and Apple accounts
for about 75 percent of MP3 players sold in the U.S.

So far, Microsoft hasn't been able to dent the Apple iPod dominance,
although the software giant has said it is working on music playing devices
that it plans to introduce later this year.
 
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Peter
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      08-13-2005
steve wrote:
> "Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
> Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was filed,"


just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.


Peter


 
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FreedomChooser
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      08-13-2005
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:26:07 +1200, Peter <>
wrote:

>steve wrote:
>> "Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
>> Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was filed,"

>
>just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
>mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.


Oh really
how is that
apple filed their own patents on the ipod
apple must also be crooked and all the rest wouldnt you agree

 
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Chris Wilkinson
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      08-13-2005
Hi there,

FreedomChooser wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:26:07 +1200, Peter <>
> wrote:
>
>
>>steve wrote:
>>
>>>"Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
>>>Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was filed,"

>>
>>just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
>>mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.

>
>
> Oh really
> how is that
> apple filed their own patents on the ipod
> apple must also be crooked and all the rest wouldnt you agree


Not at all. Apple are simply protecting something which they
have actually put to market. In stark contrast Microsoft are
filing patents for ideas, in the hope that someone else will
want to pay them the royalties to actually implement those
ideas. That gives them a revenue stream, but if no-one wants
to use the idea then everyone misses out on whatever that
idea may have been able to bring to the market...hence the
stifling of innovation bit...

I think you are intelligent enough to realise that, but you
do seem to hold some other agenda. Are you working for MS?

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Chris Wilkinson, Brisbane, Australia.
Anyone wishing to email me directly can remove the obvious
spamblocker, and replace it with t p g <dot> c o m <dot> a u

Software patents are killing YOUR freedom, STOP THEM NOW!
http://swpat.ffii.org/ http://nosoftwarepatents.com/

 
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FreedomChooser
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      08-14-2005
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:52:23 +1000, Chris Wilkinson
<> wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>FreedomChooser wrote:
>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:26:07 +1200, Peter <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>steve wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
>>>>Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was filed,"
>>>
>>>just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
>>>mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.

>>
>>
>> Oh really
>> how is that
>> apple filed their own patents on the ipod
>> apple must also be crooked and all the rest wouldnt you agree

>
>Not at all. Apple are simply protecting something which they
>have actually put to market. In stark contrast Microsoft are
>filing patents for ideas, in the hope that someone else will
>want to pay them the royalties to actually implement those
>ideas. That gives them a revenue stream, but if no-one wants
>to use the idea then everyone misses out on whatever that
>idea may have been able to bring to the market...hence the
>stifling of innovation bit...


bullcrap
If Ms's patent applies to the ipod then it follows Ms must have had
the idea before apple thought it up
Remember also Apple has the intent of using patents to stiffle other
people from using the ideas as they tried to use their OS patents to
stop MS Windows

>
>I think you are intelligent enough to realise that, but you
>do seem to hold some other agenda. Are you working for MS?


oh yeah I do have an agenda
Its to oppose the propogandists like yourself who foam at the mouth
every time someone mentions companies like Microsoft
Its so entertainig watching you ideologoues push you blatant biased
cant as if it were objective truth

The reality is for most of your pro Linux propagandists is a bunch of
socialists who oppose capitalism and any kind of freedoms in any form

 
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Bling-Bling
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      08-14-2005
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:13:22 +0000, FreedomChooser wrote:

> The reality is for most of your pro Linux propagandists is a bunch of
> socialists who oppose capitalism and any kind of freedoms in any form


<sniggaaaarr>

Nice. ;o)

Tell another joke.


Bling Bling

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Fink: "The Linux market is growing 30% to 35% a year."

 
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Dumbkiwi
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      08-14-2005
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:13:22 +0000, FreedomChooser wrote:

> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:52:23 +1000, Chris Wilkinson <>
> wrote:
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>FreedomChooser wrote:
>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:26:07 +1200, Peter <>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>steve wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
>>>>>Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was
>>>>>filed,"
>>>>
>>>>just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
>>>>mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh really
>>> how is that
>>> apple filed their own patents on the ipod apple must also be crooked
>>> and all the rest wouldnt you agree

>>
>>Not at all. Apple are simply protecting something which they have
>>actually put to market. In stark contrast Microsoft are filing patents
>>for ideas, in the hope that someone else will want to pay them the
>>royalties to actually implement those ideas. That gives them a revenue
>>stream, but if no-one wants to use the idea then everyone misses out on
>>whatever that idea may have been able to bring to the market...hence the
>>stifling of innovation bit...

>
> bullcrap
> If Ms's patent applies to the ipod then it follows Ms must have had the
> idea before apple thought it up
> Remember also Apple has the intent of using patents to stiffle other
> people from using the ideas as they tried to use their OS patents to stop
> MS Windows
>
>
>>I think you are intelligent enough to realise that, but you do seem to
>>hold some other agenda. Are you working for MS?

>
> oh yeah I do have an agenda
> Its to oppose the propogandists like yourself who foam at the mouth every
> time someone mentions companies like Microsoft Its so entertainig watching
> you ideologoues push you blatant biased cant as if it were objective truth
>
> The reality is for most of your pro Linux propagandists is a bunch of
> socialists who oppose capitalism and any kind of freedoms in any form


Hmmm - Linux = free market/competition
Microsoft = monopoly

Now which of those is the antithesis of market economics?
 
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FreedomChooser
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      08-14-2005
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 17:43:04 +1200, Bling-Bling
<> wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:13:22 +0000, FreedomChooser wrote:
>
>> The reality is for most of your pro Linux propagandists is a bunch of
>> socialists who oppose capitalism and any kind of freedoms in any form

>
><sniggaaaarr>
>
>Nice. ;o)
>
>Tell another joke.


sidestep noted

 
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FreedomChooser
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      08-14-2005
On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 19:36:15 +1200, Dumbkiwi <>
wrote:

>On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 03:13:22 +0000, FreedomChooser wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 09:52:23 +1000, Chris Wilkinson <>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>FreedomChooser wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:26:07 +1200, Peter <>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>steve wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Apple invented and publicly released the iPod interface before the
>>>>>>Microsoft patent application cited by the (patent) examiner was
>>>>>>filed,"
>>>>>
>>>>>just shows how crooked MS is, and how they will (ab)use legislative
>>>>>mechanisms to defeat competitors and stifle innovation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh really
>>>> how is that
>>>> apple filed their own patents on the ipod apple must also be crooked
>>>> and all the rest wouldnt you agree
>>>
>>>Not at all. Apple are simply protecting something which they have
>>>actually put to market. In stark contrast Microsoft are filing patents
>>>for ideas, in the hope that someone else will want to pay them the
>>>royalties to actually implement those ideas. That gives them a revenue
>>>stream, but if no-one wants to use the idea then everyone misses out on
>>>whatever that idea may have been able to bring to the market...hence the
>>>stifling of innovation bit...

>>
>> bullcrap
>> If Ms's patent applies to the ipod then it follows Ms must have had the
>> idea before apple thought it up
>> Remember also Apple has the intent of using patents to stiffle other
>> people from using the ideas as they tried to use their OS patents to stop
>> MS Windows
>>
>>
>>>I think you are intelligent enough to realise that, but you do seem to
>>>hold some other agenda. Are you working for MS?

>>
>> oh yeah I do have an agenda
>> Its to oppose the propogandists like yourself who foam at the mouth every
>> time someone mentions companies like Microsoft Its so entertainig watching
>> you ideologoues push you blatant biased cant as if it were objective truth
>>
>> The reality is for most of your pro Linux propagandists is a bunch of
>> socialists who oppose capitalism and any kind of freedoms in any form

>
>Hmmm - Linux = free market/competition
> Microsoft = monopoly
>
>Now which of those is the antithesis of market economics?


linux is not about free market
its about socialist opposed to captialism in all its forms
its no wonder linux is so loved by the greens party and most of its
proponents here are socialists

Microsoft is not a monopoly

 
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Peter
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      08-14-2005
Dumbkiwi wrote:
>
> Hmmm - Linux = free market/competition
> Microsoft = monopoly
>
> Now which of those is the antithesis of market economics?


Quite right, OSS is all about individual choice, individual freedoms. MS
seeks to deny user choice by dictating a single OS and deliberately
disrupting protocols and formats (eg html, file formats, etc).

OSS has low barrier to entry.
MS is hell bent on raising enormous barriers to entry (eg their massive
drive on bogus patents).


Peter

 
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