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I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
get one with a wireless port

Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
would it work?

I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
than they would be prepared to).

-Peter

Peter Huebner wrote:
> I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
> neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
> am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
> get one with a wireless port
>
> Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
> a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
> would it work?
>
> I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
> that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
> than they would be prepared to).

If you have line of sight between the routers it should be doable over that
distance. If not then a small patch antenna is cheap and will give you a good
10dB over the stock stick antenna. Also upping the power to 80mw or so will help
somewhat.

Richard wrote:
> Peter Huebner wrote:
>
>> I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
>> neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and
>> I am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces,
>> and get one with a wireless port
>>
>> Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are
>> on a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can
>> get;
>> would it work?
>>
>> I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
>> that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably
>> further than they would be prepared to).
>
>
> If you have line of sight between the routers it should be doable over
> that distance. If not then a small patch antenna is cheap and will give
> you a good 10dB over the stock stick antenna. Also upping the power to
> 80mw or so will help somewhat.

This is one of those suck it and see's we have some wi-fi kit
registering line of sight in the wgtn cbd at 3km+ odd (in fact some
moron was complainig we were over power and damaging his setup, yet we
were within spec so told him to take a running jump), yet in the same
direction but at a steeper drop (from on a hill) it wont do the distance
you describe.....the stuffs damn weird.......

The other alternative is Cat5e, if its below 100m, if over you will need
to do power over ethernet and a cheap 5 port switch 1/2 way....
depends on the lay of the land on just how practical cabling is.

If it was me and I wanted performance I'd go cat5e and see if it worked
as is. If it was too far I would cable tie 12v power to the cat5e and
have a $60 switch or hub (only 10 half duplex) half way in a water tight
box....

regards

Thing

thing wrote:

> This is one of those suck it and see's we have some wi-fi kit
> registering line of sight in the wgtn cbd at 3km+ odd (in fact some
> moron was complainig we were over power and damaging his setup, yet we
> were within spec so told him to take a running jump), yet in the same
> direction but at a steeper drop (from on a hill) it wont do the distance
> you describe.....the stuffs damn weird.......

Yeah, and some people manage to get incredible links out of crap they have made,
and a proper antenna cant link at half the distance etc.

> The other alternative is Cat5e, if its below 100m, if over you will need
> to do power over ethernet and a cheap 5 port switch 1/2 way....
> depends on the lay of the land on just how practical cabling is.

10 meg full duplex will go thru a whole box of cat-5e (305m) without problem.

100 meg was iffy but was faster then 10, not the full 100 meg tho.

> If it was me and I wanted performance I'd go cat5e and see if it worked
> as is. If it was too far I would cable tie 12v power to the cat5e and
> have a $60 switch or hub (only 10 half duplex) half way in a water tight
> box....

google on Pringles Can Antena.
A guy in Wellington (uni team) was making long range connections using
chinese deep frying scoops. This may be what thing was refering to.

fact is that they work. Physics doesn't care about RRP, Make etc.


"Richard" <> wrote in message
news:42cfacdb$...
> thing wrote:
>
>> This is one of those suck it and see's we have some wi-fi kit registering
>> line of sight in the wgtn cbd at 3km+ odd (in fact some moron was
>> complainig we were over power and damaging his setup, yet we were within
>> spec so told him to take a running jump), yet in the same direction but
>> at a steeper drop (from on a hill) it wont do the distance you
>> describe.....the stuffs damn weird.......
>
> Yeah, and some people manage to get incredible links out of crap they have
> made, and a proper antenna cant link at half the distance etc.
>
>> The other alternative is Cat5e, if its below 100m, if over you will need
>> to do power over ethernet and a cheap 5 port switch 1/2 way....
>> depends on the lay of the land on just how practical cabling is.
>
> 10 meg full duplex will go thru a whole box of cat-5e (305m) without
> problem.
>
> 100 meg was iffy but was faster then 10, not the full 100 meg tho.
>
>> If it was me and I wanted performance I'd go cat5e and see if it worked
>> as is. If it was too far I would cable tie 12v power to the cat5e and
>> have a $60 switch or hub (only 10 half duplex) half way in a water tight
>> box....

Linksys claim 500m for their new AP

Peter Huebner wrote:
> I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
> neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
> am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
> get one with a wireless port
>
> Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
> a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
> would it work?
>
> I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
> that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
> than they would be prepared to).
>
> -Peter

Richard wrote:
>> The other alternative is Cat5e, if its below 100m, if over you will
>> need to do power over ethernet and a cheap 5 port switch 1/2 way....
>> depends on the lay of the land on just how practical cabling is.

> 10 meg full duplex will go thru a whole box of cat-5e (305m) without
> problem.

You should be able to get ~400M with it, not sure of the exact figure,
but I'm sure Mr Google knows.

> 100 meg was iffy but was faster then 10, not the full 100 meg tho.

I've used 100Mbit Full Duplex over 125M, but that was about it.

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On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:53:21 +1200, Peter Huebner wrote:

> I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
> neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
> am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
> get one with a wireless port
>
> Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
> a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
> would it work?
>
> I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
> that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
> than they would be prepared to).
>
> -Peter

I have heard of people using old Sky or Ihug sat dishes for directional
anntenae for WiFi. If anyone wants an Ihug Starnet dish, I have one on the
house I made the mistke of paying $800 for when they first came out...
Geoff

Geoff M wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:53:21 +1200, Peter Huebner wrote:
>
>
>>I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
>>neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
>>am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
>>get one with a wireless port
>>
>>Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
>>a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
>>would it work?
>>
>> I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
>>that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
>>than they would be prepared to).
>>
>>-Peter
>
>
> I have heard of people using old Sky or Ihug sat dishes for directional
> anntenae for WiFi. If anyone wants an Ihug Starnet dish, I have one on the
> house I made the mistke of paying $800 for when they first came out...
> Geoff
I'm using old sky dishes retro fitted with a Biquad feeder. Getting
1.5kms+ LOS. I haven't tried optimising my hack and would be interested
to know how far other people are getting with a similar setup. I'm
getting approx -70dB level @1.5km with 28mW. Upping the power on my
WRT54g doesn't seem to improve the range.

> On Sat, 9 Jul 2005 13:53:21 +1200, Peter Huebner wrote:
>
> > I am just wondering if it is at all feasible to network with my
> > neighbour's lan. They just got ADSL and will need a router for it, and I
> > am wondering if it would be a good idea to try to combine forces, and
> > get one with a wireless port
> >
> > Their house is about 100-150m away, no buildings in between, they are on
> > a slight rise so ground interference is about as minimal as you can get;
> > would it work?
> >
> > I am sure that this can be done with external arials et cetera, but
> > that seems a bit further than I really want to go (and probably further
> > than they would be prepared to).

How about looking at the newest technologies. There's WiMax (which does not
connect to 802.11g IIRC) but there are others that do. Not sure what they're
called. Click Online (BBC tech show) did a brief mention of them 1-2 weeks
ago.
I'm about 10 metres away from my access point which has to go through 3
walls in a direct line of sight. I get around a 10% signal most of the time
but it still works OK. Around 50% external noise.
Definitely slower than my partners PC which is about 30cm away from the
access point and is lightning fast

PAM.