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Bruce Sinclair
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      06-21-2005
In article <gBMte.8969$(E-Mail Removed)>, "PAM." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>"thing2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>> Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
>> not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

>
>I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
>dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.
>
>Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
>equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.
>
>Scary.


The "big mac index" is probably a better measure

Bruce


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      06-21-2005
In article <jOMte.8982$(E-Mail Removed)>, "PAM." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:
>"Bruce Sinclair" <(E-Mail Removed) > wrote
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>> The "big mac index" is probably a better measure

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>It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV


Quite ... I mean that, in 3 months, that plasma TV that is currently
costing 1/5 of your salary here could well be 1/10. I know people in the
game ... and that is the sort of reduction they were seeing. It's all timing
and context and we are "further away" (from pretty much anywhere) ... can
you wait ?



Bruce


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      06-21-2005
It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....

Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see
the point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
far).....

One for them was for CHCH.

Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

Maybe employers should stop bitching about letting more IT people into
NZ and start paying more to the ones here (if they really want them).
That way just maybe ex-pats might start coming back and people here
might move into IT.....

regards

Thing




 
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      06-21-2005
"thing2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message

> Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
> not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...


I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.

Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.

Scary.

PAM.


 
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      06-21-2005
"Bruce Sinclair" <(E-Mail Removed) > wrote
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> The "big mac index" is probably a better measure


It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV



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      06-21-2005
"PAM." <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "Bruce Sinclair" <(E-Mail Removed) > wrote
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> > The "big mac index" is probably a better measure

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> It i a good one, unless you want a plasma TV
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> PAM.
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Yes but the Plasma TV index doesn't cover where you're going to put it...
which I believe is a huge factor


 
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      06-21-2005
PAM. wrote:
> "thing2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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>>Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
>>not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...

>
>
> I was trying to figure out how to compare salaries here to UK. Then it
> dawned on me one day when talking to a UK friend about Plasma TV's.
>
> Using a %age, a specific plasma TV would be 1/5th of my salary. For him the
> equivalent would be 1/9th. We're in a similar area of expertise also.
>
> Scary.
>
> PAM.
>
>


Is that 1/5th gross salary or 1/5th net disposable income?

Having come from the UK, certianly in 1995 it was way cheaper to live in
NZ than in the UK. So while my salary is lower here, I have a better
house, lifestyle and more spare $.

Example in 1993 my car insurance was nearly $5000NZ against $500 here
for the same car (I shipped it over). My house contents insurance was
$2400+ (1993) v $300 (today's cost).

I have house that is probably twice the size of what I could have
afforded in the UK for less....

Now I do agree that costs such as food and power have climbed
significantly but the UK is not a cheap place to live....

regards

Thing













 
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      06-21-2005
"thing2" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
> contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get
> now....
>
> Its no wonder if there are vacancies going for long periods of time. If
> they are paying no better or worse than the existing job I cannot see the
> point of moving....so so much for the 3 contacts I had this week (so
> far).....
>
> One for them was for CHCH.
>
> Is CHCH really cheaper to live in than WGTN? ie 20% cheaper? I think
> not...I'd like to live in SI for the life style but not on a pitance...
>
> Maybe employers should stop bitching about letting more IT people into NZ
> and start paying more to the ones here (if they really want them). That
> way just maybe ex-pats might start coming back and people here might move
> into IT.....
>
> regards
>
> Thing


And, I bet they don't offer training either. I would not recommend studying
in IT these days.

Most of the problem is the IT industry has been devalued by low wage
economies in India/China and the like. There are no certification standards
in NZ enforced by the govt such as with accounting/law / medical. So, any
geezer can call them selves an IT consultant.

After graduating in the early 90's, I recall seeing pages and pages of jobs
in computerworld NZ. Now, you barely see enough to fill a single side.


 
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geoffm
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      06-21-2005
For comparison with UK salaries, it does depend on where you live,
with London being the most expensive. According to a Scottish friend,
it is 2 x the salary in pounds for the equivalent NZ wage - ie 20k
pounds == $NZ40k in terms of money in the hand. I feel that is a bit
low in places, when you see what they pay for petrol, insurance, etc.
Prices are basically dollars for pounds.
The pay rates I have seen quoted in my field are not enough to tempt
me to go over there. It might do if I was single, as a means of having
the OE I never had (sniff).
Geoff
 
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      06-21-2005
On Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:57:40 +1200, thing2 <(E-Mail Removed)>
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>It has been rumoured that there are lots of vacancies in IT, I get 3
>contacts in a week all offering jobs all paying less than what I get now....

where i live you get a London weighting index on top of your pay to
reflect teh cost of living in London, I get 1100 a year on top of the
salary...
but you guys dont know how lucky you are...
rent 750 - nice single bedroom flat, 12 years old
council tax 115 a month...
water rates...
power...
gas...
taxed if you sell your house, taxed if you die...
 
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