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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:58:48 +1200, someone purporting to be Porky didst
scrawl:

> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:10:44 +1200, thing wrote:
*SNIP*
> I was referring to the commercial distros excluding redhat...

And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.

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Hi there,

Matthew Poole wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 04:58:48 +1200, someone purporting to be Porky didst
> scrawl:
>
>
>>On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 10:10:44 +1200, thing wrote:
>
> *SNIP*
>
>>I was referring to the commercial distros excluding redhat...
>
>
> And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
> rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.

I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
in the last 3 to 4 years?

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:49 +1000, Chris Wilkinson wrote:

> I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
> starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
> I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
> in the last 3 to 4 years?

NT5.1, NT5.1sp1 (bugfix release), NT5.1sp2 (security-fix release), NT5.2 .

So that's about one release per year.


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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 14:01:41 +1200, Matthew Poole <>
wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 13:45:08 +1200, someone purporting to be Bret didst
>scrawl:
>
>> On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:04:57 +1200, Tony
>> <> wrote:
>*SNIP*
>>>Gee chaps I did not Intend to start a War..
>>>
>>
>> You ceased being relevant to the discussion at your first post.
>
>He was relevant? This is Woger, he's never relevant, not even at the
>first post.

LOL.

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:49 +1000, someone purporting to be Chris
Wilkinson didst scrawl:

> Matthew Poole wrote:
*SNIP*
>> And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
>> rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.
>
> I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
> starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
> I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
> in the last 3 to 4 years?

Well, there was XP, then XP-SP1, now XP-SP2, XP64... Oh, and don't forget
Win2K3 Server in all its flavours, 2K3-SP1, SP2 slated for release late
this year, and 2K3 R2 which is currently in beta.
Makes Mandrake look positively lethargic if it's only put out four
releases in three-to-four years.

--
Matthew Poole
"Don't use force. Get a bigger hammer."

On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:48:32 +1200, Matthew Poole <> wrote:

>On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:49 +1000, someone purporting to be Chris
>Wilkinson didst scrawl:
>
>> Matthew Poole wrote:
>*SNIP*
>>> And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
>>> rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.
>>
>> I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
>> starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
>> I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
>> in the last 3 to 4 years?
>
>Well, there was XP, then XP-SP1, now XP-SP2, XP64... Oh, and don't forget
>Win2K3 Server in all its flavours, 2K3-SP1, SP2 slated for release late
>this year, and 2K3 R2 which is currently in beta.
>Makes Mandrake look positively lethargic if it's only put out four
>releases in three-to-four years.



So How many users, use MS against Mandrake..?

I think the Volumes will have this affect..

Hi there,

Matthew Poole wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:49 +1000, someone purporting to be Chris
> Wilkinson didst scrawl:
>
>
>>Matthew Poole wrote:
>
> *SNIP*
>
>>>And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
>>>rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.
>>
>>I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
>>starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
>>I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
>>in the last 3 to 4 years?
>
>
> Well, there was XP, then XP-SP1, now XP-SP2, XP64... Oh, and don't forget
> Win2K3 Server in all its flavours, 2K3-SP1, SP2 slated for release late
> this year, and 2K3 R2 which is currently in beta.
> Makes Mandrake look positively lethargic if it's only put out four
> releases in three-to-four years.

Its not that simple. Each distro release is a snapshot of current
software, meaning each piece of software included in a distro can
have had several updates in the intervening time between distro
upgrades. There are also development and CVS code to take into
account.

The last times I've watched updates occur on my partners old WinXP
laptop last year the updates made no discernible difference to the
user experience. Each time I've upgraded Mandrake (or SuSE) the apps
have included a lot of new features, more apps have been included,
and many bugs fixed. It seems that security and bugs are the primary
focus of Windows updates, and some may not consider that reason to
call those updates 'upgrades'...

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Hi there,

Tony wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 20:48:32 +1200, Matthew Poole <> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:14:49 +1000, someone purporting to be Chris
>>Wilkinson didst scrawl:
>>
>>
>>>Matthew Poole wrote:
>>
>>*SNIP*
>>
>>>>And which ones would those be? SuSE and Mandriva? They're hardly on a
>>>>rapid-rotation development cycle. Certainly no more so than Windows.
>>>
>>>I'm not sure you're talking common sense. I've used Linux for 3 years,
>>>starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
>>>I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
>>>in the last 3 to 4 years?
>>
>>Well, there was XP, then XP-SP1, now XP-SP2, XP64... Oh, and don't forget
>>Win2K3 Server in all its flavours, 2K3-SP1, SP2 slated for release late
>>this year, and 2K3 R2 which is currently in beta.
>>Makes Mandrake look positively lethargic if it's only put out four
>>releases in three-to-four years.
>
> So How many users, use MS against Mandrake..?

A few million use Mandrake (sorry, mandriva!). Compared to Windows its
pretty small of course.

> I think the Volumes will have this affect..

Could do, but I just explained to Matthew that a distro upgrade is not
just about releasing *the* new version of all the apps in the distro.
Its just a snapshot of the apps at the time of release, and each app
in the distro has probably had several updates between distro upgrades.

Windows updates seem more security and bugfix centric, whereas most of
the linux upgrades I've done have had new apps and new features for the
existing apps (plus security updates). Windows updates on my partners
WinXP laptop made no difference to the user experience, whereas linux
upgrades have provided new apps and new features to play with...

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On Sun, 19 Jun 2005 19:42:05 +1000, someone purporting to be Chris
Wilkinson didst scrawl:

> Hi there,
>
> Matthew Poole wrote:
*SNIP*
> and many bugs fixed. It seems that security and bugs are the primary
> focus of Windows updates, and some may not consider that reason to
> call those updates 'upgrades'...

XP-SP2 is considered an entirely new version of Windows. Usually a
Service Pack is considered an upgrade, since it often adds new
functionality by modifying the base system. I don't call every hotfix
that comes out (which would be several each month) an upgrade or a new
version, but MS themselves promote the idea that an SP is a full new
version.
But, even if we don't call them new versions, in the last three years
we've had XP; 2K3, plus 2K3 Data Centre; and XP-64. There's also 2K3 R2
currently in beta, and that's a new version again - R2 being, of course,
short for Release 2. By my count, that's four, with R2 making five by the
end of the year. 2K3-DC is a separate version because it was released
independently of the release of the other 2K3 family members.

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> Chris Wilkinson scribbled:
> I've used Linux for 3 years,
> starting with Mandrake 9.0, then 9.1, then 9.2, then 10.0, and now
> I'm using SuSE 9.2...how many upgrades to Windows have been released
> in the last 3 to 4 years?

Certianly not as many as you've had/wanted/needed to upgrade to...
Why so many for Mandrake????????
Things missing? Bugs? Code being optimised???



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