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On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 09:43:18 -0400, "Impossible"
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>"Mackin" <dont-spam-> wrote in message
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>>> Well I've found out how to get cool and quiet Prescott here
>>> http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1742/
>>>
>>> but I don't know how to go about achieving that and I'm not
>>> thrilled
>>> about having a heat-producing PC.
>>>
>>> akiwi
>>
>> This is how I keep my prescott cool:
>>
>> http://www.ascent.co.nz/mn-product-spec.asp?pid=334974
>>
>
>That will be the sort of piece that ends up in museums one day, where
>people pass by and laugh about the ridiculous radiator-like
>contraptions you had to bolt onto cpus way back when. As good an
>argument to avoid the Prescott's as I can imagine.

Had a look with a brand new Celeron 2.66
Intersting Heatsink on it. Looks like a paddle wheel sort of, a round
heatsink with the fins radiating out in a spiral
This appeared to be a boxed CPU with Intel sticker on the fan
Quiet though

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 23:43:13 +1200, akiwi <> wrote:

>On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 19:24:23 +1200, "Mercury" <> wrote:
>
>>If you want a quiet system then the right place to start is with quiet
>>parts. If you try to quiet a system after the fact you'll never get far.
>>
>>To this end the AMD 64 Winchester CPU's are your best shot currently - the
>>3500+ built with 90nm technology is at the sweet spot for price /
>>performance and has a lower power requirement than Intel. With Cool N Quiet,
>>the CPU will throttle back during idle to low power levels. It is common for
>>CPU fans to stop on these systems when idle.
>>
>>There are plenty of vendors of AMD 64 ready motherboards. Just be aware that
>>if you want to upgrade to dual core that the board you get will need a bios
>>upgrade. Some mobo manufacturers are slack on this front and will release
>>new product instead of fixing a bios. If you want AMD dual core in the
>>future or the option, then do the sums for the PSU now. Intel dual core is
>>up in the air. They have "released" CPU's but when will they materialise?
>>The initial chips are No 8 fencing wire hook ups of 2 P4 chips and have
>>thoroughly disgusting heat dissipation. You'll need something loud and
>>serious to cool them. Not viable IMHO.
>>
>>With a 32 bit OS, 64bit CPU's do romp along - all the extra registers in the
>>CPU help as does the considerable memory bandiwdth. Benchmarks for the
>>Athlon 64 have persistently shown it to outperform Intels current offerings.
>>The latest chips even come with SSE3 extensions, so Intel's last claim of a
>>performance advantage has been lost.
>>
>>Download and read any manual for the motherboard you pick prior to purchase
>>to ensure you know the requirements for memory etc. These systems do need
>>sticks in pairs, the sticks do need to be compatible (ideally same make,
>>model / specs). You are best getting 2 x sticks of the size you want rather
>>than adding more later as it is common for the ram to run at lower speeds
>>when 4 or more sticks are in use.
>>
>>Google for comparisons /reviews - there are a lot out there. Try
>>www.anandtech.com or www.tomshardware.com for starters.
>>
>>The seagate drives are nice n quiet as is the general trend.
>>
>>Next: PSU depending on what graphics card and overall power requirements
>>are, a fanless PSU such as a Zalman will get you closer to your goal, but if
>>you have a high spec system 400watts may not be enough. Do the sums and
>>check out your proposed full system specs before purchasing.
>>
>>Lastly, Graphics card. Well, thats your choice - I always err on the side
>>that if its got a fan then its noisy - but its your choice.
>>
>>If you really want quiet then consider a Zalman reserator water cooling
>>system & hook it into your graphics card.
>>
>>BOL. Let us know how you get on. But seriously, currently Intel has nothing
>>to offer to beat AMD on price, performance, or heat dissipation.
>>
>
>Thanks, that was a big help. According to this web page
>http://techreport.com/reviews/2005q2...5/index.x?pg=1
>
>you need a socket 940 board (athlon is socket 939) supporting 90nm
>chips to fit a dual core Opteron. On Ascent there's very few single
>socket 940 motherbds and none that support dual core chips AFAICS.
>
>Dual core or dual socket looks a bit expensive for now. The second to
>last page on that website above seems to show that Opteron uses more
>power idling than under load, or else I misunderstand.
>
>The Athlon 3500 chip you mention looks like a good choice with just
>about any motherboard. I think I'm going to want 2GB of RAM
>eventually so I guess I need 2 1GB straight away. Unfortunately I
>need a graphics card to get DVI for an LCD monitor.

Intel chipsets (915 etc) support a ADD2 interface that means you can
plug in a little card to get the DVI
The cards are about $50 I think

FreedomChooser wrote:
>>The PSU no longer powers the LCD/monitor, and hasn't for quite a while.
>
>
> In fact it never did at all
> The power went through the power switch and thats all

And the fuse in some cases, as I found out when connecting a laser printer to
the switched outlet of the old 486 way back when....

FreedomChooser wrote:


> Intel chipsets (915 etc) support a ADD2 interface that means you can
> plug in a little card to get the DVI
> The cards are about $50 I think

So more then a cheap GFX card that isnt hobbled by using system memory.... How
illogical to charge that much for a DVI tranciever on a card..

In article <>,
says...
>
> What's the noise level like? The reviews I've found on the VA3000
> Thermaltake case say it's great but mention that it's "not the
> quietest around" or "noisier than expected".
>
> akiwi
>
>

I've a Thermalright copper heatsink (not the one with the pipes) and a
92mm fan on it. It is very very heavy but so quiet that I couldn't hear
it when I changed the speed on the cpu fan with 'Speedfan' down to below
30% and then I can barely hear a difference. I just put a Vantec Stealth
fan on it and now I can't hear it at all.

If you want even more quiet *and* good cooling you can go for something
like the lian-li 6070 Plus case but they are expensive and don't have a
psu.

As for Ram; I guess it all depends on your needs and applications. I
find I am very happy with a single 1 Gb dimm CAS 3 and I do play some
games, and watch movies on my comp (that's about the most demanding
stuff I do). I went out of my way and got some Crucial RAM though, I
wasn't happy with the stability I'd been getting off Kingmax or Kingston
lately (PC 3200, running at 400).

-P.

I have the LianLi 6070 Plus. The trouble with boxes that have acoustic
dampening is that it is little use if there are other paths for noise to
escape EG the rear / PSU. The 6070 has front, sie, and top acoustic
dampening which helps a little, but since there is none at the rear this is
the next problem area.

The case has room for 4 x ide drives in a cage at the bottom, but I have
found that the front fans don't blow enough air through the cage to allow
filling the drive cage. The drives get hot if they are mounted adjacent to
each other - there is not enough airflow and gap between the drives to cool
properly. So the drives are mounted with a full space empty between each.
Consequently I can't put any more drives in the box.

The box is Mid tower and a little cramped. The single best thing they could
do to this design is provide for 12cm fans.

It is definitely a smooth looking design.

Noise level is quite relative. I live in a rural situation where there is
basically no background noise except birds chirping. So when one noise issue
is sorted another that never bothered before comes to the fore. This is why
I would rate least fans possible with 1 x 12cm slow spinning in the front
and 1 x 12 cm slow spinning at the rear is a good starting point. Avoid
graphics cards with fans, motherboards with northbridge ships with screamers
on - get a zalman passive heatsink for these or select a mobo without a fan
there.

If you have to go P4, then it is essential to get a case with a side vent
that routes cool air straight to the CPU cooler. These are recommended for
P4's as is the use of non stock heatsinks with arctic silver or similar
heatgunk.




"Peter Huebner" <> wrote in message
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> In article <>,
> says...
>>
>> What's the noise level like? The reviews I've found on the VA3000
>> Thermaltake case say it's great but mention that it's "not the
>> quietest around" or "noisier than expected".
>>
>> akiwi
>>
>>
>
> I've a Thermalright copper heatsink (not the one with the pipes) and a
> 92mm fan on it. It is very very heavy but so quiet that I couldn't hear
> it when I changed the speed on the cpu fan with 'Speedfan' down to below
> 30% and then I can barely hear a difference. I just put a Vantec Stealth
> fan on it and now I can't hear it at all.
>
> If you want even more quiet *and* good cooling you can go for something
> like the lian-li 6070 Plus case but they are expensive and don't have a
> psu.
>
> As for Ram; I guess it all depends on your needs and applications. I
> find I am very happy with a single 1 Gb dimm CAS 3 and I do play some
> games, and watch movies on my comp (that's about the most demanding
> stuff I do). I went out of my way and got some Crucial RAM though, I
> wasn't happy with the stability I'd been getting off Kingmax or Kingston
> lately (PC 3200, running at 400).
>
> -P.

In article <d516hj$s92$>, says...
> I have the LianLi 6070 Plus. The trouble with boxes that have acoustic
> dampening is that it is little use if there are other paths for noise to
> escape EG the rear / PSU. The 6070 has front, sie, and top acoustic
> dampening which helps a little, but since there is none at the rear this is
> the next problem area.

Yes, I had been wondering about that very thing myself. Wondering ven
more about the 12 cm 'blower' fan they include: blowers tend to make a
lot more noise than propeller fans.
I guess one could go for a very quiet psu, either one of the new fan-
less ones, or one with a 12 cm fan.

> The case has room for 4 x ide drives in a cage at the bottom, but I have
> found that the front fans don't blow enough air through the cage to allow
> filling the drive cage. The drives get hot if they are mounted adjacent to
> each other

Did you mount them vertically or horizontally?

> Noise level is quite relative. I live in a rural situation where there is
> basically no background noise except birds chirping. So when one noise issue
> is sorted another that never bothered before comes to the fore.

<snort> Tell me about it. I live rurally as well - my computer den is
very small (about 2.4m square) and my InWin full tower with 3 hdd
spinning, PSU, CPU and Ati fan sounds like jumbo jet taking off. You can
easily hear it down the hallway!


> This is why
> I would rate least fans possible with 1 x 12cm slow spinning in the front
> and 1 x 12 cm slow spinning at the rear is a good starting point. Avoid
> graphics cards with fans, motherboards with northbridge ships with screamers
> on - get a zalman passive heatsink for these or select a mobo without a fan
> there.

Got one sitting on the desk next to me here, next time I pull the box
out from under the desk it's going in. And I am thinking about a quieter
PSU and maybe a different Gfx cooling option --- I am beginning to use
the machine as a 'home theater' and the noise is definitely intrusive
when listening to movies or music. If I am just sitting here writing
newsgroup posts or hacking out some code I can mentally filter it out...

>
> If you have to go P4, then it is essential to get a case with a side vent
> that routes cool air straight to the CPU cooler. These are recommended for
> P4's as is the use of non stock heatsinks with arctic silver or similar
> heatgunk.

Barton XP 2500 here which I have cranked up to 2 Mhz (it will go
considerably faster, but I've throttled it back down). All the grunt I
need...



-P.

On Sun, 1 May 2005 17:29:17 +1200, Peter Huebner wrote:

> Barton XP 2500 here which I have cranked up to 2 Mhz (it will go
> considerably faster, but I've throttled it back down). All the grunt I
> need...

Yup, some of those mad overclockers go as high as 6 or 8 mhz

--

.... Brendan

268247 +(3531)- [X]

<glacial> I love school
<glacial> Today our term paper due date's set
<glacial> Our instructor says that we WILL hand in the paper on time, and
she'll accept no excuses except illness, with a note from our doctor, or a
death in the immediate family, with a note from the dead member.
<glacial> So this wiseass pipes up: "What about extreme sexual
exhaustion?"
<glacial> She waits for the laughs to die down and says:
<glacial> "Well, I guess you'll have to learn to write with your other
hand"


Note: All my comments are copyright 1/05/2005 6:50:11 p.m. and are opinion only where not otherwise stated and always "to the best of my recollection". www.computerman.orcon.net.nz.

I used to throttle back (in the bios) an athlon 1600 system to get it quiet.
There are a lot better coolers out now thankfully.

"Brendan" <> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 May 2005 17:29:17 +1200, Peter Huebner wrote:
>
>> Barton XP 2500 here which I have cranked up to 2 Mhz (it will go
>> considerably faster, but I've throttled it back down). All the grunt I
>> need...
>
> Yup, some of those mad overclockers go as high as 6 or 8 mhz
>
> --
>
> ... Brendan
>
> 268247 +(3531)- [X]
>
> <glacial> I love school
> <glacial> Today our term paper due date's set
> <glacial> Our instructor says that we WILL hand in the paper on time, and
> she'll accept no excuses except illness, with a note from our doctor, or a
> death in the immediate family, with a note from the dead member.
> <glacial> So this wiseass pipes up: "What about extreme sexual
> exhaustion?"
> <glacial> She waits for the laughs to die down and says:
> <glacial> "Well, I guess you'll have to learn to write with your other
> hand"
>
>
> Note: All my comments are copyright 1/05/2005 6:50:11 p.m. and are opinion
> only where not otherwise stated and always "to the best of my
> recollection". www.computerman.orcon.net.nz.

In article <rr1mdz0sgzb0$.>,
says...
>
> Yup, some of those mad overclockers go as high as 6 or 8 mhz
>

rotfl

done it again - I just don't know why this particular dyslexia keeps
happening to me

-P.