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Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      04-13-2005
Steven Ellis wrote:
> Well you appear to show the news groups, but getting articles is a bit
> shoddy.
>
> Some groups are showing 20-30 articles when there should be thousands,
> and yes i've cleaned out my usenet cache.


thats how Dnews works... all groups are "empty" untill someone
subscribes to them, at which point the articles are sucked from whoever
and put into the group.
 
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Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      04-13-2005
Nova wrote:
>>> Any chance you can get the local news group list populated. At the
>>> moment you only show control groups.


> But there's something strange happening now..
> I click on a new message and it appears almost instantly...


thats called "it's working"
 
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Seeby Woodhouse - Orcon Internet
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      04-13-2005
Thanks 'Other Guy' it certainly sounds like you know what you're talking
about - and I appreciate the input.

I'm not aware of exactly how Craig has configured posting at present, but
posting an article to the news server seems to appear on Google within a
couple of minutes, so I don't think that there is a problem there.

You are correct with regards to the previous binary limits - we were sucking
from an ISP that didn't accept large files. At present I don't believe we
have put any limits on our server, so it should suck articles of any and
every size directly from Giganews.

Cheers
Seeby

"The Other Guy" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Seeby Woodhouse - Orcon Internet wrote:
>> In answer to your questions
>>
>> - We'll be using IHAVE to other NZ ISPs for fast, accurate propagation of
>> .nz groups
>> - We'll be sucking from Giganews as to take a full feed would use silly
>> amounts of bandwidth and disk space for the number of customers that we
>> have - that said, sucking should work just fine

>
> Sucking is fine for getting articles, not good for sending them. You can
> configure DNews to suck from giganews.com and feed articles using IHAVE.
> This is much more reliable* and gives you control over the abuse headers.
>
> newsfeeds.conf
>
> site server.giganews.com
> type dfeed
> groups *
> max_path 3
>
> The max_path setting limits feeding to articles with 'max_path' items or
> less in the 'path' header. This would allow you to actively help propagate
> news from other NZ ISPs, without wasting excessive amounts of bandwidth.
>
> You can instead use 'onlyposts' which limits the feeding to only messages
> posted directly to news.orcon.net.nz.
>
>> - We're not using the header sucking mode
>> - We won't be using SurgeNews

>
> Both good to hear
>
>> - I'm not sure what you mean by 'larger articles' as far as I am aware we
>> didn't previously impose an article size limit. Perhaps problems were
>> caused by an article size limit of our previous upstream provider (wasn't
>> Giganews) when we were previously running our own server

>
> The old server run by Orcon didn't have any binary (or text) posts in
> excess of 100KB. You were at the time using NNTPCache from memory, and
> sucking from another ISP using DNews and who probably set the limit.
>
> The Other Guy



 
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      04-13-2005
Seeby Woodhouse - Orcon Internet wrote:
> Thanks 'Other Guy' it certainly sounds like you know what you're talking
> about - and I appreciate the input.


Happy to assist where I can.

> I'm not aware of exactly how Craig has configured posting at present, but
> posting an article to the news server seems to appear on Google within a
> couple of minutes, so I don't think that there is a problem there.


You're posting... identifiable by the incorrect NNTP-Posting-Host header.

That isn't really a problem, but the reliability problem comes largely
from spam filters on posts. I've seen several servers fail to send out
messages, sometime for days on end, due to problems caused by spam filters.

Most are blocked from sending more messages (usually silently and
without warning) because they send more messages than a 'user' is
permitted to send in a certain time frame.

Another more subtle failure I've seen is caused by X-Complaints-To. Some
filters will simply discard a post with X-Complaints-To headers,
assuming it is an attempt to prevent the servers own X-Complaints-To
being added.

Because IHAVE is designed for server-to-server exchanges, it bypasses
these posting filters. Obviously filters like Cleanfeed are still
applied, but they have different criteria.

> You are correct with regards to the previous binary limits - we were sucking
> from an ISP that didn't accept large files. At present I don't believe we
> have put any limits on our server, so it should suck articles of any and
> every size directly from Giganews.


DNews has a default maximum article size of 1,000,000 bytes.

Set item_max if you wish to go higher. If you wish to go above
10,000,000 bytes, you need to also set real_max to the same value or
higher. These settings change internal buffer sizes, the real_max
setting is so users don't accidentally set the value too high. Requires
a restart.

I've been using DNews for years... help run a server or two.

The Other Guy
 
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Steven Ellis
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      04-13-2005
Ah but I have subscribed to a number of groups and they still show no
articles.

 
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~misfit~
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      04-13-2005
Steven Ellis wrote:
> Ah but I have subscribed to a number of groups and they still show no
> articles.


It takes time. Give it an hour or two. Maybe more as the server will be
sucking lots of groups. Once the group is accessed regularly the articles
*will* be there as they become available. This is so that the server doesn't
have to suck every post in every newsgroup regardless of wether someone
using the server is going to request it or not.
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      04-13-2005
The Other Guy wrote:
> steve wrote:
>> Glad to hear it..
>>
>> You can / will ditch all the binaries groups - of course - and that
>> should improve matters greatly.
>>
>> It's been a frustrating year........let's hope it's over.

>
> From what Seeby has said, we will be keeping the binaries.
> Personally I would have ditched them long ago and only had non-binary
> groups. A full text-only feed is only a few GB per day, and I think
> that is all most of us actually want. Individual.net which I think
> most people ended up using was a text-only service.


Yeah, but that was a last resort.

Binaries would be good. I'm with Orcon and my fiance has been trying with
varying success to get a group or two that specialise in wildlife
photography. She's over the moon with this new set-up. I hope it works fine.
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tiddlywink
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      04-13-2005

"Seeby Woodhouse - Orcon Internet" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Hi there
>
> Well - we (Orcon) made the change to Giganews yesterday, and everything
> was going ok.
>


Couldn't you send an email to customers about these changes, or post it
under system status on the Orcon home page.
I read about the change to the new account/settings, change my news account
then go to use it the next day and it isnt there
- if I didnt go poking around how am I to know that the reason I cant get
newsgroups is cos the new account one day
doesnt exist two days later.?


 
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steve
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      04-13-2005
21:30 Wednesday evening.....and I'm getting nntp errors saying my adsl
port isn't authorised (in IP hostname format: port-nn-nn.fastadl.net.nz)

 
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steve
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      04-13-2005
I would say that small number of Orcon subscribers use usenet...and
sending a message to all would be annoying to most.

Having said that, in not drawing anyone's attention to newsgroups, one
could be forgiven for thinking it isn't seen as a desirable service to
offer.

 
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