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Kazonme
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      03-05-2005

Sorry re-post.. spell checker not work )



Any paradise cable users dump the ISP and switch over to another
DSL ISP or UBS stuff?



and of course the cost incur and setting up, churn fee etc?




 
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      03-05-2005
Kazonme wrote:
> Sorry re-post.. spell checker not work )
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> Any paradise cable users dump the ISP and switch over to another
> DSL ISP or UBS stuff?
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> and of course the cost incur and setting up, churn fee etc?
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I went the opposite way, (ADSL --> CABLE) never regreted it, never paid
an excess volume charge since, had 99.99% uptime, never had to deal with
the assholes at Telecom/Xtra.

Try reading the Orcon posts in here over the last 2 months, for an
insite into DSL...........

regards

Thing

 
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Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      03-05-2005
thing wrote:
>> Any paradise cable users dump the ISP and switch over to another
>> DSL ISP or UBS stuff?


> I went the opposite way, (ADSL --> CABLE) never regreted it, never paid
> an excess volume charge since, had 99.99% uptime, never had to deal with
> the assholes at Telecom/Xtra.


Hows the post de-peer latency?
Are they still claiming that national traffic is only charged at 1/10 of
international?
could you tracert to a few site known to be hosted in nz for me(mine is
for a start)?

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      03-05-2005
Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> thing wrote:
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>>> Any paradise cable users dump the ISP and switch over to another
>>> DSL ISP or UBS stuff?

>
>
>> I went the opposite way, (ADSL --> CABLE) never regreted it, never
>> paid an excess volume charge since, had 99.99% uptime, never had to
>> deal with the assholes at Telecom/Xtra.

>
>
> Hows the post de-peer latency?
> Are they still claiming that national traffic is only charged at 1/10 of
> international?
> could you tracert to a few site known to be hosted in nz for me(mine is
> for a start)?
>


I looked last week and just now it was/is still split,

".....
Billing Period International National Equivalent

All Billing Periods...
2004-12-07 to 2005-01-06 2123.87 1832.78 2307.15
2005-01-07 to 2005-02-06 952.46 97.77 962.24
2005-02-07 to 2005-03-06 513.55 667.07 580.26
......"

heh, traceroute maybe......I dont do tracert......

[thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute dave.net.nz
traceroute to dave.net.nz (202.150.101.5), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.594 ms 0.242 ms 0.200 ms
2 cerberus (192.168.0.254) 1.905 ms 0.689 ms 0.658 ms
3 fe7-3-2.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.79.92.1) 8.891 ms 8.257 ms
8.846 ms
4 g1-0-1042.u21.tar.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.41) 11.815 ms 23.107
ms 11. 132 ms
5 clear-ba1-atm1.wix.net.nz (202.7.0.192) 15.055 ms 18.437 ms 11.677 ms
6 jcore2-ge-0-2-0-20-wgtn.wellington.clix.net.nz (203.97.9.29) 15.217
ms 22. 317 ms 18.863 ms
7 jcore2-at-0-1-0-1-acld.auckland.clix.net.nz (203.97.7.77) 27.717 ms
21.049 ms 19.768 ms
8 218.101.61.9 (218.101.61.9) 22.293 ms 32.830 ms 19.890 ms
9 clix-conceptnet-nz.cpe.clix.net.nz (203.167.219.182) 20.305 ms
24.369 ms 26.296 ms
10 fe24-0-0.cr1.akl1.concept.net.nz (202.150.96.253) 26.129 ms 46.958
ms 48.626 ms
11 fe1-0-0.ar1.akl1.concept.net.nz (202.150.96.250) 28.572 ms 23.281
ms 22.878 ms
12 ser0-0-133.br1.dun1.synaptic.net.nz (202.150.111.10) 56.611 ms
83.439 ms 59.829 ms
13 cr.dun1.synaptic.net.nz (202.150.101.126) 54.031 ms 47.912 ms
56.391 ms
14 web.synaptic.net.nz (202.150.101.5) 53.590 ms 65.743 ms 59.404 ms

This is interesting.....Clear are a bunch of bastards on this one
(trademe) looks like it goes over to the US (Alter.net) and then back
via trademe's ISP, AT&T.

From what I heard Clear tried to put a gun to Trademe's head (and
indeed smaller ISPs to get an extra %....

[thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.trademe.co.nz
traceroute to trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.379 ms 0.222 ms 0.209 ms
2 cerberus (192.168.0.254) 0.810 ms 0.820 ms 0.675 ms
3 fe7-3-2.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.79.92.1) 15.277 ms 8.682 ms
10.405 ms
4 ge0-0-0-5.haley.paradise.net.nz (203.96.152.254) 13.496 ms 10.023
ms 9.035 ms
5 ge0-1-0-938.icore1.sym.telstraclear.net (203.98.48.1) 23.862 ms
22.745 ms 21.803 ms
6 ge-0-2-0-1.xcore1.acld.telstraclear.net (203.98.50.251) 21.776 ms
31.972 ms 20.246 ms
7 xcore2.tspn.telstraclear.net (203.98.42.66) 143.222 ms 162.747 ms
156.189 ms
8 GigabitEthernet3-0.GW1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (157.130.245.21) 157.118 ms
164.842 ms 157.604 ms
9 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.21 155.653 ms 163.968
ms 155.243 ms
10 0.so-1-1-0.XL1.LAX7.ALTER.NET (152.63.57.7 164.767 ms 163.191 ms
163.274 ms
11 0.so-6-1-0.BR1.LAX7.ALTER.NET (152.63.113.1) 163.139 ms 175.668 ms
171.486 ms
12 204.255.168.30 (204.255.168.30) 156.454 ms 157.335 ms 156.169 ms
13 tbr1-p014001.la2ca.ip.att.net (12.123.29.2) 160.729 ms 159.065 ms
158.066 ms
14 tbr2-cl3.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.10.25) 167.894 ms 161.101 ms
169.512 ms
15 gbr5-p20.sffca.ip.att.net (12.122.11.90) 176.886 ms 176.829 ms
175.394 ms
16 gar2-p360.sffca.ip.att.net (12.123.13.149) 167.393 ms 160.423 ms
166.708 ms
17 12.124.35.81 (12.124.35.81) 166.719 ms 170.089 ms 167.497 ms
18 chic-br6-s5-p2.il.us.prserv.net (165.87.71.41) 169.127 ms 174.427
ms 165.979 ms
19 ausydn1102cr1-5-1-1.au.ip.att.net (165.87.66.45) 196.500 ms
198.087 ms 199.025 ms
MPLS Label=245 CoS=6 TTL=1 S=0
20 ausydn2102cr1-5-1-2.au.ip.att.net (165.87.66.34) 329.642 ms
327.959 ms 329.679 ms
MPLS Label=30 CoS=6 TTL=1 S=0
21 jptoky2101er2-2-0-0.to.jp.ip.att.net (165.87.66.85) 204.998 ms
195.573 ms 196.864 ms
22 32.114.204.14 (32.114.204.14) 198.950 ms 201.032 ms 198.915 ms
23 202.135.231.252 (202.135.231.252) 186.093 ms 196.625 ms 200.603 ms
24 * * *

[thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.stuff.co.nz
traceroute to www.stuff.co.nz (202.135.111.130), 30 hops max, 38 byte
packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.408 ms 0.221 ms 0.198 ms
2 cerberus (192.168.0.254) 3.723 ms 0.767 ms 0.820 ms
3 fe7-3-2.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.79.92.1) 18.438 ms 8.597 ms
10.814 ms
4 g1-0-1042.u21.tar.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.41) 12.770 ms
10.130 ms 11.465 ms
5 g9-0.1041.u12.brh.telstraclear.net (203.98.21.37) 21.116 ms
27.366 ms 21.598 ms
6 32.107.64.1 (32.107.64.1) 23.635 ms 32.115 ms 19.434 ms
7 nzwgtn1101er2-1-0-0-1.nz.ip.att.net (165.87.66.11 32.593 ms
34.400 ms 29.793 ms
8 32.114.204.14 (32.114.204.14) 31.705 ms 38.298 ms 31.349 ms
9 * * *
10 * *

[thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.xtra.co.nz
traceroute to xtra.co.nz (202.27.184.102), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.376 ms 0.331 ms 0.278 ms
2 cerberus (192.168.0.254) 0.783 ms 0.809 ms 0.808 ms
3 fe7-3-2.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.79.92.1) 11.163 ms 13.613 ms
9.378 ms
4 g1-0-1042.u21.tar.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.41) 19.768 ms
11.673 ms 11.991 ms
5 g9-0.1041.u12.brh.telstraclear.net (203.98.21.37) 29.140 ms
25.065 ms 22.812 ms
6 ggis-gige-v906.telstraclear.net (203.98.18.67) 24.446 ms 21.959
ms 22.022 ms
7 ge4-2.aksw7.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.177) 19.833 ms
41.370 ms 37.441 ms
8 xtra-dom-1.aksw7.global-gateway.net.nz (203.96.120.146) 24.679 ms
23.465 ms 20.966 ms
9 * * *

[thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.wises.co.nz
traceroute to www.wises.co.nz (203.99.64.40), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.407 ms 0.366 ms 0.331 ms
2 cerberus (192.168.0.254) 0.846 ms 0.885 ms 0.823 ms
3 fe7-3-2.bertha.paradise.net.nz (203.79.92.1) 21.149 ms 8.684 ms
12.300 ms
4 g1-0-1042.u21.tar.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.41) 12.843 ms
11.776 ms 25.025 ms
5 g9-0.1041.u12.brh.telstraclear.net (203.98.21.37) 24.227 ms
24.248 ms 22.520 ms
6 lnk-degussa.atm12-3-129.u12.brh.telstraclear.net (203.98.23.23
21.022 ms 21.921 ms 24.777 ms
7 apngw6.apn.co.nz (203.99.66.6) 23.259 ms 25.682 ms 22.543 ms
8 *




















 
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Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      03-05-2005
thing wrote:
>> Hows the post de-peer latency?
>> Are they still claiming that national traffic is only charged at 1/10
>> of international?
>> could you tracert to a few site known to be hosted in nz for me(mine
>> is for a start)?


> I looked last week and just now it was/is still split,


ok then.

> ".....
> Billing Period International National Equivalent
>
> All Billing Periods...
> 2004-12-07 to 2005-01-06 2123.87 1832.78 2307.15
> 2005-01-07 to 2005-02-06 952.46 97.77 962.24
> 2005-02-07 to 2005-03-06 513.55 667.07 580.26
> ......"


I wonder whether or not they just do a check for .nz on the end...
that'd be silly, but interesting.

> heh, traceroute maybe......I dont do tracert......


thanks for that, I wondered what is was looking like, and it doesnt
appear as bad as was once thought it would be.

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      03-05-2005
Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> thing wrote:
>
>>> Hows the post de-peer latency?
>>> Are they still claiming that national traffic is only charged at 1/10
>>> of international?
>>> could you tracert to a few site known to be hosted in nz for me(mine
>>> is for a start)?

>
>
>> I looked last week and just now it was/is still split,

>
>
> ok then.
>
>> ".....
>> Billing Period International National Equivalent
>> All Billing Periods...
>> 2004-12-07 to 2005-01-06 2123.87 1832.78 2307.15
>> 2005-01-07 to 2005-02-06 952.46 97.77 962.24
>> 2005-02-07 to 2005-03-06 513.55 667.07 580.26
>> ......"

>
>
> I wonder whether or not they just do a check for .nz on the end...
> that'd be silly, but interesting.
>
>> heh, traceroute maybe......I dont do tracert......

>
>
> thanks for that, I wondered what is was looking like, and it doesnt
> appear as bad as was once thought it would be.
>



I will see if I can catch my billing to trademe's IP, see if I am
charged local or International.

I do not suppose there is much I can do about it though

:/

regards

Thing





 
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      03-05-2005
thing wrote:
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> From what I heard Clear tried to put a gun to Trademe's head (and
> indeed smaller ISPs to get an extra %....
>
> [thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.trademe.co.nz
> traceroute to trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
> 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.379 ms 0.222 ms 0.209 ms

<snip>
> 7 xcore2.tspn.telstraclear.net (203.98.42.66) 143.222 ms 162.747 ms
> 156.189 ms
> 8 GigabitEthernet3-0.GW1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (157.130.245.21) 157.118 ms
> 164.842 ms 157.604 ms
> 9 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.21 155.653 ms 163.968
> ms 155.243 ms
>


Absolutely diabolical!!!

That explains the sudden inexplicable increase in international traffic
I've been getting.

This issue deserves a complete thread of it's own.
 
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      03-05-2005
On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:07:47 +1300, Daniel <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>thing wrote:
>>
>> From what I heard Clear tried to put a gun to Trademe's head (and
>> indeed smaller ISPs to get an extra %....
>>
>> [thing@kaitan thing]$ traceroute www.trademe.co.nz
>> traceroute to trademe.co.nz (202.21.128.2), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
>> 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1) 0.379 ms 0.222 ms 0.209 ms

><snip>
>> 7 xcore2.tspn.telstraclear.net (203.98.42.66) 143.222 ms 162.747 ms
>> 156.189 ms
>> 8 GigabitEthernet3-0.GW1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (157.130.245.21) 157.118 ms
>> 164.842 ms 157.604 ms
>> 9 0.so-0-0-0.XL1.LAX1.ALTER.NET (152.63.112.21 155.653 ms 163.968
>> ms 155.243 ms
>>

>
>Absolutely diabolical!!!
>
>That explains the sudden inexplicable increase in international traffic
>I've been getting.
>
>This issue deserves a complete thread of it's own.




I found out some more Info, affects all users from Telstra/Clear going to
Telecom web sites..

Telscum playing silly games again, no connection agreement.


A good case for the Comers Commission, but then you will all be dead before it
did any thing..


 
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      03-05-2005
Daniel wrote:
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> Absolutely diabolical!!!
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> That explains the sudden inexplicable increase in international traffic
> I've been getting.
>
> This issue deserves a complete thread of it's own.


Bit slow aren't I :-p

Yes, I see this has already been news:
http://www.webfroot.co.nz/archives/2...aclear-de-peer

(Still annoyed though)
 
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Daniel wrote:
> Daniel wrote:
>
>>
>> Absolutely diabolical!!!
>>
>> That explains the sudden inexplicable increase in international
>> traffic I've been getting.
>>
>> This issue deserves a complete thread of it's own.

>
>
> Bit slow aren't I :-p
>
> Yes, I see this has already been news:
> http://www.webfroot.co.nz/archives/2...aclear-de-peer
>
> (Still annoyed though)


Okay, so TelstraClear do a bit of strategic routing to effectively shaft
Telecom (well, that's the theory), but they're also hurting us cable
users who think NZ traffic at 1/10th cost of international is really
cool - especially for the busiest website in the country.

Hmmm.... I wonder if they could change their routing tables for those of
us on their cable network (we have static IPs after all)... nah, that
would be too clever.
 
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