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Billy gets a bit of SPAM. Perhaps he doesn't mung his e-mail address?

 
 
Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      11-23-2004
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>>> he's been working on it, but the GPL boys don't like it... **** all
>>>> he can do really.


>>> He shouldn't GPL the thing then. Free stuff doesn't always have to be
>>> licensed to be useful, as I see it...


>> he's not GPL'ing it... and that seems to be the problem(from my
>> limited understanding of it).


> Its pretty crazy really. Who knows whats really going on? I suspect
> no-one...not even those at the center of it all...


I read something about how sendmail and others had turned it down due to
some patent, that MS said they are not going to act on... so as they
have openly said that they are not going to act on it, I dont see the
problem.

> It reminds me of arguments about NVidia drivers for linux. Advocates
> for OSS swear they'll never use the drivers because the source is not
> available, so their NV cards run like dump and only in 2D! Meanwhile
> I've just installed 1.0-6629 and my 'lowly' FX5600 is pumping out
> 50-100fps in UT2003 @ 1024x768 max detail. I know which driver I'd
> prefer to use...not the OSS one!


indeed... UT2k3 is great on linux.
 
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Alex Axolotl
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      11-23-2004
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
>
>> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>>>> he's been working on it, but the GPL boys don't like it... **** all
>>>> he can do really.

>>
>>
>>
>>> He shouldn't GPL the thing then. Free stuff doesn't always have to be
>>> licensed to be useful, as I see it...

>>
>>
>>
>> he's not GPL'ing it... and that seems to be the problem(from my
>> limited understanding of it).

>
>
> Its pretty crazy really. Who knows whats really going on? I suspect
> no-one...not even those at the center of it all...
>
> It reminds me of arguments about NVidia drivers for linux. Advocates
> for OSS swear they'll never use the drivers because the source is not
> available, so their NV cards run like dump and only in 2D! Meanwhile
> I've just installed 1.0-6629 and my 'lowly' FX5600 is pumping out
> 50-100fps in UT2003 @ 1024x768 max detail. I know which driver I'd
> prefer to use...not the OSS one!
>


Can you quote any of these advocates, or is this just a strawman of your
own creation?
Advocating that drivers should be open source is a good thing and has
resulted in superior support for other manufacturers chipsets.
I respect the fact that nvidia issues only binaries in order to keep
trade secrets and I respect the fact that free software distributions
issue free drivers in order to provide functionality that allows the
user to install the binary of their choice.
Its a compromise and I can't see what your problem is with the open
source advocates position.
 
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Alex Axolotl
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      11-23-2004
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Patrick Dunford wrote:
>
>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Tue, 23
>> Nov 2004 20:09:58 +1300, Chris Wilkinson
>> <(E-Mail Removed)> says...
>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> Patrick Dunford wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Mon,
>>>> 22 Nov 2004 20:24:25 +1300, Chris Wilkinson
>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> says...
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan Mercer wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Waylon Kenning wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems like Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:38:39 +1300 was when GraB
>>>>>>> <(E-Mail Removed)> said Blah blah blah...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, only a few junk emails gets through to Gates's inbox
>>>>>>>> thanks to anti-spam technology that filters his messages.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah right. If their anti-spam technology is so good, how come
>>>>>>> they're
>>>>>>> not selling it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its free www.microsoft.com/exchange/imf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm filtering increasing amounts of spam every week, and its almost
>>>>> time
>>>>> to alter my email address. Bill Gates earlier spoke of dealing to the
>>>>> issue of spam, yet we see more of it than ever before. Can the paying
>>>>> customers hold him to his word? In another line of business he
>>>>> would be
>>>>> deemed to have failed in his objectives and be down the road!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you think Gates is God or something? Are you going to bow down to
>>>> him every time you install Linux on something?
>>>
>>>
>>> Don't be daft! Gates said it, and if he cannot deliver on something as
>>> profound as that then he needs to reconsider carefully what he says,
>>> prior to saying it...

>>
>>
>> You are being daft.
>>
>> Gates making a pronouncement that MS want to do something about spam
>> does not make him liable for failing to prevent it from happening.

>
>
> The majority of spam is generated by computers running Windows, so how
> is the man most responsible for said OS able to simply step back without
> even so much as an apology to the world for not delivering on a promise?
>
> Were he an employee he'd be down the road...just like you or I if we
> failed to deliver on our objectives...
>


Why does making an operating system make any company responsible for
unsolicited mail ?
Is the Apache project resonsible for internet porn ?
Producing a spam control solution just means they are one more developer
trying to address a problem created by the human nature of their users.
 
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Nathan Mercer
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      11-24-2004
Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
> Hi there,
>
> Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> > Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> >
> >> I'm filtering increasing amounts of spam every week, and its almost time
> >> to alter my email address. Bill Gates earlier spoke of dealing to the
> >> issue of spam, yet we see more of it than ever before. Can the paying
> >> customers hold him to his word? In another line of business he would be
> >> deemed to have failed in his objectives and be down the road!

> >
> > he's been working on it, but the GPL boys don't like it... **** all he
> > can do really.

>
> He shouldn't GPL the thing then. Free stuff doesn't always have to be
> licensed to be useful, as I see it...
>
> I get a few spams like this...
>
> "Sa;ve 7_0% ord.ering onl/ine To`day! Vi!sit our Site and Sa!ve Big"
>
> ...and more like it. Its filtered into my Trash before I read it, but
> due to my ISP being less than proactive about filtering it I still
> have to download it so Netscape can junk it...if ISP's looked for the
> bad grammar they'd knock most of my spam before Netscape needs to...


Get a new ISP who does offer such a service.

Don't knock Gates, he never said unsolicited commercial email would go
away overnight either

Nathan
 
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Chris Wilkinson
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      11-24-2004
Hi there,

Alex Axolotl wrote:
> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>
>> It reminds me of arguments about NVidia drivers for linux. Advocates
>> for OSS swear they'll never use the drivers because the source is not
>> available, so their NV cards run like dump and only in 2D! Meanwhile
>> I've just installed 1.0-6629 and my 'lowly' FX5600 is pumping out
>> 50-100fps in UT2003 @ 1024x768 max detail. I know which driver I'd
>> prefer to use...not the OSS one!

>
> Can you quote any of these advocates, or is this just a strawman of your
> own creation?


Goto www.happypenguin.org and look for releases of Nvidia drivers. There
are always a few heated debates about them in the comments...

> Advocating that drivers should be open source is a good thing and has
> resulted in superior support for other manufacturers chipsets.
> I respect the fact that nvidia issues only binaries in order to keep
> trade secrets and I respect the fact that free software distributions
> issue free drivers in order to provide functionality that allows the
> user to install the binary of their choice.
> Its a compromise and I can't see what your problem is with the open
> source advocates position.


My issue with it is that some seem to take the attitude that if a
driver is to be written to run on an OSS kernel, the driver itself
*must* also be fully OSS. Nvidia wont do that, and if push came to
shove they'd remove their linux support. That would be a blow to the
linux community since Nvidias driver is only one that does the full
deal on modern graphics hardware...

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Chris Wilkinson
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      11-24-2004
Hi there,

Nathan Mercer wrote:
> Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message news:<(E-Mail Removed)>...
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
>>
>>>Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm filtering increasing amounts of spam every week, and its almost time
>>>>to alter my email address. Bill Gates earlier spoke of dealing to the
>>>>issue of spam, yet we see more of it than ever before. Can the paying
>>>>customers hold him to his word? In another line of business he would be
>>>>deemed to have failed in his objectives and be down the road!
>>>
>>>he's been working on it, but the GPL boys don't like it... **** all he
>>>can do really.

>>
>>He shouldn't GPL the thing then. Free stuff doesn't always have to be
>>licensed to be useful, as I see it...
>>
>>I get a few spams like this...
>>
>>"Sa;ve 7_0% ord.ering onl/ine To`day! Vi!sit our Site and Sa!ve Big"
>>
>>...and more like it. Its filtered into my Trash before I read it, but
>>due to my ISP being less than proactive about filtering it I still
>>have to download it so Netscape can junk it...if ISP's looked for the
>>bad grammar they'd knock most of my spam before Netscape needs to...

>
> Get a new ISP who does offer such a service.


I've come to Snap internet from others (Paradise, ihug). Snap has the
fastest dialup access I've tried (downloads usually run flat out).
Yeah the spam thing is a nuisance, but I'm moving to Aussie soon so
will not bother changing NZ ISP's (will need to get one in Aus in
Feb 2005)

> Don't knock Gates, he never said unsolicited commercial email would go
> away overnight either


But to me it seems worse than ever. Can anyone elighten us on spam
stats for the most recent quarter? Just wanna know if my 'feeling'
on how much spam is about is correct...

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Patrick Dunford
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      11-24-2004
In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Wed, 24 Nov
2004 08:23:15 +1300, Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)>
says...
> Hi there,
>
> Patrick Dunford wrote:
> > In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Tue, 23 Nov
> > 2004 20:09:58 +1300, Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)>
> > says...
> >
> >>Hi there,
> >>
> >>Patrick Dunford wrote:
> >>
> >>>In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Mon, 22 Nov
> >>>2004 20:24:25 +1300, Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)>
> >>>says...
> >>>
> >>>>Hi there,
> >>>>
> >>>>Nathan Mercer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Waylon Kenning wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>It seems like Sat, 20 Nov 2004 03:38:39 +1300 was when GraB
> >>>>>><(E-Mail Removed)> said Blah blah blah...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>However, only a few junk emails gets through to Gates's inbox thanks
> >>>>>>>to anti-spam technology that filters his messages.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Yeah right. If their anti-spam technology is so good, how come they're
> >>>>>>not selling it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Its free www.microsoft.com/exchange/imf
> >>>>
> >>>>I'm filtering increasing amounts of spam every week, and its almost time
> >>>>to alter my email address. Bill Gates earlier spoke of dealing to the
> >>>>issue of spam, yet we see more of it than ever before. Can the paying
> >>>>customers hold him to his word? In another line of business he would be
> >>>>deemed to have failed in his objectives and be down the road!
> >>>
> >>>Do you think Gates is God or something? Are you going to bow down to him
> >>>every time you install Linux on something?
> >>
> >>Don't be daft! Gates said it, and if he cannot deliver on something as
> >>profound as that then he needs to reconsider carefully what he says,
> >>prior to saying it...

> >
> > You are being daft.
> >
> > Gates making a pronouncement that MS want to do something about spam does
> > not make him liable for failing to prevent it from happening.

>
> The majority of spam is generated by computers running Windows, so how
> is the man most responsible for said OS able to simply step back without
> even so much as an apology to the world for not delivering on a promise?


MS have done a lot to prevent the spam getting into Windows computers,
I'd say they have made a reasonable effort.

>
> Were he an employee he'd be down the road...just like you or I if we
> failed to deliver on our objectives...


Don't let that anti MS chip on your shoulder get too big now will you
 
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Dave - Dave.net.nz
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      11-24-2004
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>> Don't knock Gates, he never said unsolicited commercial email would go
>> away overnight either


> But to me it seems worse than ever. Can anyone elighten us on spam
> stats for the most recent quarter? Just wanna know if my 'feeling'
> on how much spam is about is correct...


I dont know if there is a definitive answer, stats are only for the
group surveyed.

me, I get ~10 spam/spam-virii a day, vs ~20 legit emails.
so 1/3 emails I get are junk.
 
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Chris Wilkinson
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      11-24-2004
Hi there,

Patrick Dunford wrote:
> In article <(E-Mail Removed)> in nz.comp on Wed, 24 Nov
> 2004 08:23:15 +1300, Chris Wilkinson <(E-Mail Removed)>
> says...
>
>>Hi there,
>>
>>Patrick Dunford wrote:
>>

>
> MS have done a lot to prevent the spam getting into Windows computers,
> I'd say they have made a reasonable effort.


Is that why there is still so much of it about?

>>Were he an employee he'd be down the road...just like you or I if we
>>failed to deliver on our objectives...

>
> Don't let that anti MS chip on your shoulder get too big now will you


No chip on my shoulder...I just like to keep 'em honest...

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Chris Wilkinson
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      11-24-2004
Hi there,

Dave - Dave.net.nz wrote:
> Chris Wilkinson wrote:
>
>>> Don't knock Gates, he never said unsolicited commercial email would go
>>> away overnight either

>
>
>> But to me it seems worse than ever. Can anyone elighten us on spam
>> stats for the most recent quarter? Just wanna know if my 'feeling'
>> on how much spam is about is correct...

>
>
> I dont know if there is a definitive answer, stats are only for the
> group surveyed.
>
> me, I get ~10 spam/spam-virii a day, vs ~20 legit emails.
> so 1/3 emails I get are junk.


I got 24 emails this afternoon, 8 were spam and junked by NS.
Looks like 1 in 3 is a good guestimate?

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