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On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:19:25 +1300, Nicolaas Hawkins <> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:00:26 +1300, Roger Sheppard posting as Geronimo!
><> wrote in <news: >:
>
>> Yes this newsgroup states it all.
>>
>> Only the dregs left..



You fit the bill down to a tee, what a utter idiot you are, sort of show what
is left here.

On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:20:21 +1300, Nicolaas Hawkins <> wrote:

>On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:58:25 +1300, Roger Sheppard posting as Geronimo!
><> wrote in <news: >:
>
>> definitely here
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>Nicolaas.
>
>
>- We are worthy of only as much respect as we are prepared to give others.


You fit the bill down to a tee, what a utter idiot you are, sort of show what
is left here.

In article <>,
Geronimo! <> wrote:
>
>Only the dregs left..

I see you're talking about yourself again, Roger...

--
Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand
It's ironic that people who are too smart to engage in politics
are governed by people who are not as smart.

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:21:13 +1300, Geronimo! <> wrote in
<news: >:

> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:19:25 +1300, Nicolaas Hawkins <> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 13:00:26 +1300, Roger Sheppard posting as Geronimo!
>><> wrote in <news: >:
>>
>>> Yes this newsgroup states it all.
>>>
>>> Only the dregs left..
>
> You fit the bill down to a tee, what a utter idiot you are, sort of show what
> is left here.

Why not set yourself an example and **** off?

--
Regards,
Nicolaas.


- How much of what we see is caused by what we expect?

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 16:22:39 +1300, Geronimo! <> wrote in
<news: >:

> On Mon, 4 Oct 2004 15:20:21 +1300, Nicolaas Hawkins <> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 12:58:25 +1300, Roger Sheppard posting as Geronimo!
>><> wrote in <news: >:
>>
>>> definitely here
>>
>>
>>--
>>Regards,
>>Nicolaas.
>>
>>
>>- We are worthy of only as much respect as we are prepared to give others.
>
> You fit the bill down to a tee, what a utter idiot you are, sort of show what
> is left here.

Why don't you set yourself an example and **** off?

--
Regards,
Nicolaas.


- Be who you are and say what you feel. Those who mind don't matter, and
those who matter don't mind.

Waylon Kenning wrote:
> I mean, I'm really enjoying
> reading about System Analysis and Design, I just *dislike* coding.

Be a business analyst? Problem is that you have to wade through hoardes
of loudmouth wannabe's and (worse) the people who think they can code
but actually can't.

Or head off towards infrastructure - no coding there.

Cheers,
Dave

steven wrote:
> im talking about third years that cant program their way out of a inatimate
> paper bag

Being the main reason for the "two year experience" thing, although
there are plenty of two-yearers who still can't code.

> teams that do ****-all analysis & design and end up re-coding
> their system dozens of times because of that fact

Ah! Tell them it's refactoring. Very trendy. Extra marks for using the
words "agile development".

> in talking to people who have been through this paper i know of cases where
> the "lead developer" in a team has to do tripple the work to get a system
> out the door.

At least you're getting a taste of real life

> one thing i expect of my classmates is at least knowledge to a similar
> level when it comes to development principals (after all we went through
> the same classes) - i dunno mabye iam expecting too much.

You are. You could sit ten thousand people through the same music
lessons and only get one Mozart (if that). Like music, some people are
just crap at coding, and some are really good. That's how it is.

Dave

It seems like Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:36:38 +1300 was when David Preece
<> said Blah blah blah...

>> I mean, I'm really enjoying
>> reading about System Analysis and Design, I just *dislike* coding.
>
>Be a business analyst? Problem is that you have to wade through hoardes
>of loudmouth wannabe's and (worse) the people who think they can code
>but actually can't.
>
>Or head off towards infrastructure - no coding there.

If I have to do coding, I'll do it. I just don't have to like it,
that's all But thanks for your comment David, I'll have a look into
what a Business Analyst does.
--
Regards,
Waylon Kenning.

1st Year B.I.T. WelTec

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:36:38 +1300, David Preece wrote:

> Waylon Kenning wrote:
>> I mean, I'm really enjoying
>> reading about System Analysis and Design, I just *dislike* coding.
>
> Be a business analyst? Problem is that you have to wade through hoardes of
> loudmouth wannabe's and (worse) the people who think they can code but
> actually can't.
>
> Or head off towards infrastructure - no coding there.

Hehe I used to work (in the infrastructure part) of a now defunct custom
software company that seemed overrun by either BAs or wannabe BAs.

They produced some really shittily designed apps that the infrastructure
people then had to support - arrggh.

There was also a bookshelf full of large books on Object Modelling and OO
analysis etc that were full of academic overly verbose bollox yet managed
to not say much at all.

Cheers
Anton

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 09:59:29 +1300, "AD." <> wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 22:36:38 +1300, David Preece wrote:
>
>> Waylon Kenning wrote:
>>> I mean, I'm really enjoying
>>> reading about System Analysis and Design, I just *dislike* coding.
>>
>> Be a business analyst? Problem is that you have to wade through hoardes of
>> loudmouth wannabe's and (worse) the people who think they can code but
>> actually can't.
>>
>> Or head off towards infrastructure - no coding there.
>
>Hehe I used to work (in the infrastructure part) of a now defunct custom
>software company that seemed overrun by either BAs or wannabe BAs.
>
>They produced some really shittily designed apps that the infrastructure
>people then had to support - arrggh.
>
>There was also a bookshelf full of large books on Object Modelling and OO
>analysis etc that were full of academic overly verbose bollox yet managed
>to not say much at all.
>
Remember this classic?

http://www.uoregon.edu/~ftepfer/Schl...wingTable.html

Cheers,

Cliff