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when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or is
the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of choice
if you buy it separately or not ?

Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking around
google. Not to mention dick smiths etc. lol

Nick wrote:
> when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or
> is the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of
> choice if you buy it separately or not ?
>
> Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
> trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking
> around google. Not to mention dick smiths etc.

The motherboard and CPU are seperate components. You buy them seperately.
Take notice when/if you buy a CPU that it comes with a fan because some
"deals" on the CPUs don't.

Don't shop at DSE for components. Check out pricespy.co.nz for a computer
parts company and pick one that is close to your location that you can visit
and ask questions. If you have a mate who is knowledgeable in putting
things together it will pay to get him to look over your shoulder while
building/rebuilding your machine. Once you get into building your own (and
it is not very hard at all) you will never buy a PC off the shelf again.

cowboyz wrote:

> Nick wrote:
>
>>when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or
>>is the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of
>>choice if you buy it separately or not ?
>>
>>Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
>>trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking
>>around google. Not to mention dick smiths etc.
>
>
> The motherboard and CPU are seperate components. You buy them seperately.
> Take notice when/if you buy a CPU that it comes with a fan because some
> "deals" on the CPUs don't.
>
> Don't shop at DSE for components. Check out pricespy.co.nz for a computer
> parts company and pick one that is close to your location that you can visit
> and ask questions. If you have a mate who is knowledgeable in putting
> things together it will pay to get him to look over your shoulder while
> building/rebuilding your machine. Once you get into building your own (and
> it is not very hard at all) you will never buy a PC off the shelf again.
>
>
>
Yeah. got that cowboys. Im doing a partime course, in combination with
earning a crust and doin another paper too. (geesh my head hurts) but
I pulled a pc apart and put it together again so yes, it simple enough.
Im just wading into this area and getting a sence of direction on the
topic. Combinations , makes etc. thats why Im asking around.

thanks.

In article <cg338t$gli$> in nz.comp on Fri, 20 Aug 2004
08:41:00 +1200, cowboyz <> says...
> Nick wrote:
> > when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or
> > is the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of
> > choice if you buy it separately or not ?
> >
> > Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
> > trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking
> > around google. Not to mention dick smiths etc.
>
> The motherboard and CPU are seperate components. You buy them seperately.

That said, CPUs change so often that changing CPU type often requires
changing the motherboard as well.

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:41:00 +1200, "cowboyz" <> wrote:

>Nick wrote:
>> when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or
>> is the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of
>> choice if you buy it separately or not ?
>>
>> Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
>> trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking
>> around google. Not to mention dick smiths etc.
>
>The motherboard and CPU are seperate components. You buy them seperately.
>Take notice when/if you buy a CPU that it comes with a fan because some
>"deals" on the CPUs don't.
>
>Don't shop at DSE for components. Check out pricespy.co.nz for a computer
>parts company and pick one that is close to your location that you can visit
>and ask questions. If you have a mate who is knowledgeable in putting
>things together it will pay to get him to look over your shoulder while
>building/rebuilding your machine. Once you get into building your own (and
>it is not very hard at all) you will never buy a PC off the shelf again.

I'll have to disagree with the cowboyz there. DSE are ok for some
components. My 512MB legend DDR400 ram is from there ($149 on special)
and so is my MSI Nforce2 motherboard ($88 -- again on special)

The three main advantages with DSE is a) availability - they generally
have it in stock b) opening times 7 days a week c) they accept credit
cards without a surcharge

Still, shop around to see what everyone else is offering.

Patrick Dunford wrote:
> In article <cg338t$gli$> in nz.comp on Fri, 20 Aug 2004
> 08:41:00 +1200, cowboyz <> says...
>
>>Nick wrote:
>>
>>>when you buy a mother board, it comes with the cpu chip. right ? Or
>>>is the cpu purchased as a separate article. Or is that a matter of
>>>choice if you buy it separately or not ?
>>>
>>>Sorry if some of these questions are silly questions, but Im really
>>>trying to get others thoughts on this and that as well as looking
>>>around google. Not to mention dick smiths etc.
>>
>>The motherboard and CPU are seperate components. You buy them seperately.
>
>
> That said, CPUs change so often that changing CPU type often requires
> changing the motherboard as well.
>
Hmmmmmm

A wrote:

> I'll have to disagree with the cowboyz there. DSE are ok for some
> components. My 512MB legend DDR400 ram is from there ($149 on special)
> and so is my MSI Nforce2 motherboard ($88 -- again on special)
>
> The three main advantages with DSE is a) availability - they generally
> have it in stock b) opening times 7 days a week c) they accept credit
> cards without a surcharge
>
> Still, shop around to see what everyone else is offering.

Probably a fair call. My DVD ROM is from DSE. But generally speaking, if
you aren't 100% sure about what you want and the price you want to pay DSE
are to be avoided. Their "knowledgable" staff are few and far between.

cowboyz wrote:
> A wrote:
>
>> I'll have to disagree with the cowboyz there. DSE are ok for some
>> components. My 512MB legend DDR400 ram is from there ($149 on
>> special) and so is my MSI Nforce2 motherboard ($88 -- again on
>> special)
>>
>> The three main advantages with DSE is a) availability - they
>> generally have it in stock b) opening times 7 days a week c) they
>> accept credit cards without a surcharge
>>
>> Still, shop around to see what everyone else is offering.
>
> Probably a fair call. My DVD ROM is from DSE. But generally
> speaking, if you aren't 100% sure about what you want and the price
> you want to pay DSE are to be avoided. Their "knowledgable" staff
> are few and far between.

They do have an excellent 14 day right-of-return (used to be 7-day) policy
though. No questions asked, as long as the original packaging is returned
along with and instructions etc. I must admit to having used it once to rule
out a PSU as being the problem in a system I had when I didn't have a spare
on hand.

Also they have a VIP club, I got free membership for spending a certain
amount in one hit ($250?). You get a laminated card that entitles you to 10%
or more off software (games) that aren't already on special and, if you
register the card number on the website you get a wee cookie that logs you
in as a VIP member when you go to their site and when you click on an item
you often get a VIP price offered as well as the regular price. I bought a
NiMH/NiCad smart-charger (inc 4 x 2,000mAh NiMH AA batts) last week for my
digi-cam, list price $89.95, they scanned my card and it dropped to $81.50.
Not a lot but worth having. On items that have a VIP price the savings range
from 5-15%. Also, apparently each time you scan your card with a purchase
you go into the draw for $100 store-credit per month, per store.

I believe it's free membership if you make a big buy, or there's a fee to
join otherwise. It's saved me quite a few bucks over the years.

Oh well, my pain-killers are kicking in, time to go pick up some 'computer
gear'. I met a nice lady (cultured accent) when our rented house was on the
market a couple of weeks ago who saw I was into computers (hard to miss, I
had a soldering iron in one hand, a capacitor in the other and a mobo
between my knees at the time) and said that her son, who is a software
engineer, went overseas a year ago and left them with a pile of "computer
gear, including a couple of screens" that she was didn't want cluttering up
her house. She told me she'd contact him and ask if she could give them to
me. She rang this morning and asked if I'd like to go around today and pick
it up. I'm just hoping it isn't a few 486's and 14" VGA monitors. <fingers
crossed>.
--
~misfit~

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 08:11:33 +1200, "cowboyz" <> wrote:

>A wrote:
>
>> I'll have to disagree with the cowboyz there. DSE are ok for some
>> components. My 512MB legend DDR400 ram is from there ($149 on special)
>> and so is my MSI Nforce2 motherboard ($88 -- again on special)
>>
>> The three main advantages with DSE is a) availability - they generally
>> have it in stock b) opening times 7 days a week c) they accept credit
>> cards without a surcharge
>>
>> Still, shop around to see what everyone else is offering.
>
>Probably a fair call. My DVD ROM is from DSE. But generally speaking, if
>you aren't 100% sure about what you want and the price you want to pay DSE
>are to be avoided. Their "knowledgable" staff are few and far between.
>

Two more advantages I forgot about:

d) as misfit pointed out, their returns policy is much better than
most PC stores

e) they're not afraid to seriously markdown items for clearance (my
15" LCD screen was on clearance for $388 last year and I once picked
up an xbox game for $5 and other PC games for $5-$10)

~misfit~ wrote:
>
> Oh well, my pain-killers are kicking in, time to go pick up some
> 'computer gear'. I met a nice lady (cultured accent) when our rented
> house was on the market a couple of weeks ago who saw I was into
> computers (hard to miss, I had a soldering iron in one hand, a
> capacitor in the other and a mobo between my knees at the time) and
> said that her son, who is a software engineer, went overseas a year
> ago and left them with a pile of "computer gear, including a couple
> of screens" that she was didn't want cluttering up her house. She
> told me she'd contact him and ask if she could give them to me. She
> rang this morning and asked if I'd like to go around today and pick
> it up. I'm just hoping it isn't a few 486's and 14" VGA monitors.
> <fingers crossed>.

Two 14" monitors, (1991) four AT midi-towers, one sub-1GB HDD, one CDROM and
one FDD drive amongst them, don't know if they work, I haven't tested
anything yet. One 486, two P1's and a really old (AT) slot 1 board with no
CPU. One of the cases had a couple of fairly new two-port PCI USB 1 cards,
(Anyone want one?) I got a 56k ISA modem and an ISA Vibra 16, (All still
untested) few 4-8MB sticks of 72-pin RAM, otherwise pretty much all going in
the rubbish.

Oh well, worth a look, kept me busy for a couple of hours so far and will
keep the wheelie-bin topped up for the next couple of weeks. LOL, she asked
me if I knew anyone who wanted to buy a laptop for around $500. I asked the
specs, she said it's a 486 but doesn't know anything else. I gently
mentioned that it wasn't even worth $100 if it was in excellent condition in
a leather carry-case. (I was going to say $50 but I didn't want to shock her
too much after she said $500). She said she'll talk to her son again and
maybe get back to me. I don't want to hurt her feelings if she does, she
*is* a nice person. However, if it is in perfect condition (the battery
*will* be shot) I'd only give her $20 for it, and then only to be nice. I
have no use for a 486 lappy. Who does these days? It wouldn't even be any
good for off-loading pics from my digital camera. (That's about the only
reason I'd have for getting a low-end lappy, for trips away, and then the
money would probably be better spent on a bigger card for the camera).
--
~misfit~