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Ryan Jacobs
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      06-18-2004
This might seem an odd question, but here goes........

A friend of mine runs a "techie" business. He now sells computer stuff (at
what I would consider reasonable prices). He doesn't sub to this group or
any Usenet group. I have told him that people here discuss buying product X
or product Y at whatever price. And, I know his prices are usually much
cheaper (for the identical brand-name product).

So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
"point" someone in the direction of a good deal? His attitude is that he
doesn't want to "spam" a group and therefore give his business a bad name.

I'd be interested in hearing some comments - both for and against any
"pointing" in a certain direction.


Cheers


RJ out.


 
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theseus
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      06-18-2004
Ryan Jacobs wrote:

> This might seem an odd question, but here goes........
>
> A friend of mine runs a "techie" business. He now sells computer stuff (at
> what I would consider reasonable prices). He doesn't sub to this group or
> any Usenet group. I have told him that people here discuss buying product
> X or product Y at whatever price. And, I know his prices are usually much
> cheaper (for the identical brand-name product).
>
> So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
> "point" someone in the direction of a good deal? His attitude is that he
> doesn't want to "spam" a group and therefore give his business a bad name.
>
> I'd be interested in hearing some comments - both for and against any
> "pointing" in a certain direction.
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> RJ out.


If he is participating in the newsgroup, a link in a sig is usually
acceptable, but anything more stirs up the nannies.
If you check out Mauricio Freitas' posts you will find quite a comprehensive
sig with links to his site geekzone.
He's not overtly commercial with his content so he doesn't get any flack
There is a nz.biz.misc group but probably not viewed by many here.
 
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Adam Warner
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      06-18-2004
Hi Ryan Jacobs,

> So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
> "point" someone in the direction of a good deal?


It's helpful and appropriate so long as:

(a) Someone has asked for the information; and
(b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.

Regards,
Adam
 
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thing
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      06-18-2004
Adam Warner wrote:
> Hi Ryan Jacobs,
>
>
>>So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
>>"point" someone in the direction of a good deal?

>
>
> It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
>
> (a) Someone has asked for the information; and
> (b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
>
> Regards,
> Adam


I think if someone asks about X and Y says I sell it, at $z then I dont
see that as OTT personally. Constantly putting up price lists or
trolling with "specials" is obviously not acceptable I would suggest.

regards

Thing

 
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Patrick Bold
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      06-18-2004
"thing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >
> >>So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group

to
> >>"point" someone in the direction of a good deal?

> >
> >
> > It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
> >
> > (a) Someone has asked for the information; and
> > (b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
> >

>
> I think if someone asks about X and Y says I sell it, at $z then I

dont
> see that as OTT personally. Constantly putting up price lists or
> trolling with "specials" is obviously not acceptable I would suggest.
>


Some people will always think it's convenient to post requests for
prices in nz.comp, and that's understandable. A lot of people know each
other here, many are themeselves involved in the business, and so it
seems like a natural topic to chat about. Problem is, once you open the
door to retail shopping, there's no stopping it. How exactly do you
distinguish an "independent and genuine" request for prices from one
linked to a commercial promotion? How do you logically permit a dealer
to post a single price but not a price list, especially if someone
specifically requests a list? Does every dealer get a free pass, or just
the ones in the old-boys network? Such an ambiguous policy can't help
but lead to confusion and ill-feeling.

All requests for prices in this newsgroup, IMHO, should be re-directed
to Google, where retail websites in NZ can readily be identified and
where those looking for comparative information can be better served.


 
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Collector_NZ
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      06-18-2004
Patrick Bold said the following on 19/06/2004 11:08:

> "thing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:zJIAc.3128$(E-Mail Removed)...
>
>>>>So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group

>
> to
>
>>>>"point" someone in the direction of a good deal?
>>>
>>>
>>>It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
>>>
>>>(a) Someone has asked for the information; and
>>>(b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
>>>

>>
>>I think if someone asks about X and Y says I sell it, at $z then I

>
> dont
>
>>see that as OTT personally. Constantly putting up price lists or
>>trolling with "specials" is obviously not acceptable I would suggest.
>>

>
>
> Some people will always think it's convenient to post requests for
> prices in nz.comp, and that's understandable. A lot of people know each
> other here, many are themeselves involved in the business, and so it
> seems like a natural topic to chat about. Problem is, once you open the
> door to retail shopping, there's no stopping it. How exactly do you
> distinguish an "independent and genuine" request for prices from one
> linked to a commercial promotion? How do you logically permit a dealer
> to post a single price but not a price list, especially if someone
> specifically requests a list? Does every dealer get a free pass, or just
> the ones in the old-boys network? Such an ambiguous policy can't help
> but lead to confusion and ill-feeling.
>
> All requests for prices in this newsgroup, IMHO, should be re-directed
> to Google, where retail websites in NZ can readily be identified and
> where those looking for comparative information can be better served.
>
>

The answer is Pricespy http://www.pricespy.co.nz/
Saves a lot of hargy bargey
 
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Patrick Bold
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      06-19-2004
"Collector_NZ" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> >


> >
> > All requests for prices in this newsgroup, IMHO, should be

re-directed
> > to Google, where retail websites in NZ can readily be identified and
> > where those looking for comparative information can be better

served.
> >
> >

> The answer is Pricespy http://www.pricespy.co.nz/
> Saves a lot of hargy bargey


Yes, perfect.


 
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cowboyz
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      06-19-2004
Adam Warner wrote:
> Hi Ryan Jacobs,
>
>> So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
>> "point" someone in the direction of a good deal?

>
> It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
>
> (a) Someone has asked for the information; and
> (b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
>
> Regards,
> Adam


Nz.comp is for people bragging and abusing each other - not for selling
goods. If you start letting it ok for commercial outfits to post prices
then your gonna get a shitload of oneupmanship coming into the group. I'll
stand on the "No" side.


 
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Ryan Jacobs
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      06-19-2004

"thing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> Adam Warner wrote:
> > Hi Ryan Jacobs,
> >
> >
> >>So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group to
> >>"point" someone in the direction of a good deal?

> >
> >
> > It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
> >
> > (a) Someone has asked for the information; and
> > (b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adam

>
> I think if someone asks about X and Y says I sell it, at $z then I dont
> see that as OTT personally. Constantly putting up price lists or
> trolling with "specials" is obviously not acceptable I would suggest.
>
> regards
>
> Thing
>


I agree. Which is why I asked the question. I just wanted to clarify what I
"suspected" other people thought . I can see there would be very fine line
between providing "a pointer" and "overt commercialism".

I guess the best road to take, would be to stay silent.

Thanks for your input

RJ out.


 
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Ryan Jacobs
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      06-19-2004

"Patrick Bold" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
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> "thing" <(E-Mail Removed)> wrote in message
> news:zJIAc.3128$(E-Mail Removed)...
> > >
> > >>So, my question is, is it considered too commercial for this group

> to
> > >>"point" someone in the direction of a good deal?
> > >
> > >
> > > It's helpful and appropriate so long as:
> > >
> > > (a) Someone has asked for the information; and
> > > (b) The person asking for advice is independent and genuine.
> > >

> >
> > I think if someone asks about X and Y says I sell it, at $z then I

> dont
> > see that as OTT personally. Constantly putting up price lists or
> > trolling with "specials" is obviously not acceptable I would suggest.
> >

>
> Some people will always think it's convenient to post requests for
> prices in nz.comp, and that's understandable. A lot of people know each
> other here, many are themeselves involved in the business, and so it
> seems like a natural topic to chat about. Problem is, once you open the
> door to retail shopping, there's no stopping it.


Good point.

> How exactly do you
> distinguish an "independent and genuine" request for prices from one
> linked to a commercial promotion? How do you logically permit a dealer
> to post a single price but not a price list, especially if someone
> specifically requests a list?


Well, since this is an unmoderated group, I guess you cant permit or allow
anyone to do anything. The only recourse would be to flame the crap out of
the individual. But someone who was crass enough the use this group for
overt commercialism would probably be too stupid to recognise the harm done
to their business!?

Which leads me to another question. IS there another nz.* group where overt
commercialism is allowed and encouraged? If so, then I could direct my buddy
to that group.

>Does every dealer get a free pass, or just
> the ones in the old-boys network? Such an ambiguous policy can't help
> but lead to confusion and ill-feeling.


I might have missed something here. I don't quite follow what you mean.


>
> All requests for prices in this newsgroup, IMHO, should be re-directed
> to Google, where retail websites in NZ can readily be identified and
> where those looking for comparative information can be better served.
>
>


Again, another good point, but "retail" is hardly ever the place to get the
best prices.

Thanks.

RJ out.



 
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