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Having closed my ClearNet mail account (carrying my main domain-name,
iecho.co.nz) for several days over a three-day delinquency in paying
their bill, bounced a number of my emails, getting me automatically
removed from at least one needed mailing list, and declined to accept
my word over the phone that I'd sent the cheque (Telecom has in the
past); TestiCular has, I discover this morning, diligently preserved
every one of my 2158 outstanding spams, so I can have the pleasure of
manually deleting them ten at a time.

Otherwise, I run the risk that they will discontinue service to me
again when my spam folder becomes full.

There is a noticeable gap in my genuine emails between the 16th and
the 20th (and I know for certain of some in that time that have been
bounced, as I got notice from the senders via my work address). But
the spams - 1240 of them from that period - kept on rolling through.

Wake up Telecom. Up your volume limit on broadishband to something
like T-C's 10 GB/month and get (back) into TV (some of that FirstMedia
equipment is still hanging around Karori) and you might get my
business back.

Alternatively PLEASE T-C, clear my spam folder automatically more than
once a month. There seems little point to your screening out my spam
if I still have to go to your website and painstakingly delete it all
myself. I wonder how the (graphically-enhanced) data volume I consume
doing that compares with the volume I save from not having the spams
come (in simple text form through Eudora) to my inbox.

Get your act into gear over transferring my domain name from ClearNet
to Paradise (I've been trying since before the merger); then neither
of us will have to be bothered with the (STILL) separate little easily
forgotten bills for the Clear service.

And some more free TV channels to replace the acres of empty space and
cinema promotions in my Saturn service would be nice too. By my count,
I'm getting at most 70% of the number of channels I used to get and
paying the same charge (plus inflation) as I did three or four years
ago.

Steve B.

"Steve B" <> wrote in message
news:...
> Having closed my ClearNet mail account (carrying my main domain-name,
> iecho.co.nz) for several days over a three-day delinquency in paying
> their bill, bounced a number of my emails, getting me automatically
> removed from at least one needed mailing list, and declined to accept
> my word over the phone that I'd sent the cheque (Telecom has in the
> past); TestiCular has, I discover this morning, diligently preserved
> every one of my 2158 outstanding spams, so I can have the pleasure of
> manually deleting them ten at a time.
>

Try paying your bills on time. Works for me

Most big companies will let you get at least a month behind before taking
any action. I have friends who treat the "month or two" as their entitlement
to not pay during that time, and when they push it that bit to far they act
as if they're hard done by when their power/phone/whatever gets
disconnected.

3 days sounds extremely harsh

Steve

"Stephen Williams" <> wrote in
news:JStZb.25360$:

>
> "Steve B" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> Having closed my ClearNet mail account (carrying my main domain-name,
>> iecho.co.nz) for several days over a three-day delinquency in paying
>> their bill, bounced a number of my emails, getting me automatically
>> removed from at least one needed mailing list, and declined to accept
>> my word over the phone that I'd sent the cheque (Telecom has in the
>> past); TestiCular has, I discover this morning, diligently preserved
>> every one of my 2158 outstanding spams, so I can have the pleasure of
>> manually deleting them ten at a time.
>>
>
> Try paying your bills on time. Works for me
>
> Most big companies will let you get at least a month behind before
> taking any action. I have friends who treat the "month or two" as
> their entitlement to not pay during that time, and when they push it
> that bit to far they act as if they're hard done by when their
> power/phone/whatever gets disconnected.
>
> 3 days sounds extremely harsh
>
> Steve
>
>

Yep 3 days is pretty harsh, but saving the SPAM ? gesh thats even worse
and having to delete them 10 at a time is a joke. I'm with Paradise and
just don't bother anymore but I wonder if that limits space for my real
mail. The odd thing is the level of SPAM really increased after they
bought that service in.

--
Chris

"Two men walk into a bar. You'd think the second one would've ducked..."

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 04:59:17 +1300, Steve B wrote:

> Having closed my ClearNet mail account (carrying my main domain-name,
> iecho.co.nz) for several days over a three-day delinquency in paying
> their bill, bounced a number of my emails, getting me automatically
> removed from at least one needed mailing list, and declined to accept
> my word over the phone that I'd sent the cheque (Telecom has in the
> past); TestiCular has, I discover this morning, diligently preserved
> every one of my 2158 outstanding spams, so I can have the pleasure of
> manually deleting them ten at a time.
>
> Otherwise, I run the risk that they will discontinue service to me
> again when my spam folder becomes full.
>
> There is a noticeable gap in my genuine emails between the 16th and
> the 20th (and I know for certain of some in that time that have been
> bounced, as I got notice from the senders via my work address). But
> the spams - 1240 of them from that period - kept on rolling through.
>
> Wake up Telecom. Up your volume limit on broadishband to something
> like T-C's 10 GB/month and get (back) into TV (some of that FirstMedia
> equipment is still hanging around Karori) and you might get my
> business back.
>
> Alternatively PLEASE T-C, clear my spam folder automatically more than
> once a month. There seems little point to your screening out my spam
> if I still have to go to your website and painstakingly delete it all
> myself. I wonder how the (graphically-enhanced) data volume I consume
> doing that compares with the volume I save from not having the spams
> come (in simple text form through Eudora) to my inbox.
>
> Get your act into gear over transferring my domain name from ClearNet
> to Paradise (I've been trying since before the merger); then neither
> of us will have to be bothered with the (STILL) separate little easily
> forgotten bills for the Clear service.
>
> And some more free TV channels to replace the acres of empty space and
> cinema promotions in my Saturn service would be nice too. By my count,
> I'm getting at most 70% of the number of channels I used to get and
> paying the same charge (plus inflation) as I did three or four years
> ago.
>
> Steve B.

It is like they went through your mail while you were late, and just
trashed the important stuff to **** you off. That is nasty.

cheers
Warwick

Steve B.

You are clearly an muppet.

1> All companies will cut off a service for lack of payment.

2> Clearnet webmail retains messages for a month in the spam folder so
that you can review the folder and to safegard against the deletion of
legitimate emails. Quite how you manage to attract 15mb (the limit) of
spam a month is worrying enough.

3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
This will delete the entire folder.

I haven't managed to attract even one spam message since joining
Clear. But then again, I haven't "signed up" for any "free" services
on the net.

On 20 Feb 2004 17:57:28 -0800, (Roger Ramjet)
wrote:

>Steve B.
>
>You are clearly an muppet.
>
>1> All companies will cut off a service for lack of payment.
>
After three days? As I say, if they got their act together and gave me
one bill a month (several years after the company was supposed to have
merged) the tiny (A5 size) ClearNet bills might not get overlooked
occasionally.

>2> Clearnet webmail retains messages for a month in the spam folder so
>that you can review the folder and to safegard against the deletion of
>legitimate emails.

It shouldn't take a month to do that; they could quite easily make it
fortnightly, or even weekly. Or (here's a bright idea) allow the user
to schedule it.

>Quite how you manage to attract 15mb (the limit) of
>spam a month is worrying enough.
>
Worries me too; but as I say below, I have eliminated the obvious
causes, AFAIK.

>3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
>section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
>This will delete the entire folder.
>
Thank you for that hint. You saved me a lot of time.

>I haven't managed to attract even one spam message since joining
>Clear. But then again, I haven't "signed up" for any "free" services
>on the net.

Why should you assume I have? I agree, signing up for free services is
the act of a "muppet" I KNOW it attracts spam. I DON'T do it (other
than once, as deliberate spam-bait, from a pair of specially-created
addresses.)

See:
http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/...3?OpenDocument

OTOH there is NOTHING in the present state of the law and the
ludicrously insecure procedures on such sites, to prevent others
signing up on my behalf and without my consent.

The question of how much spam a particular person attracts and why is
something I periodically conceive the idea of conducting a poll on.

Shall we try it: now?

Some people do seem to get hardly any. Others, without a notable
difference in their behaviour, get loads of it.

I believe in my case, it may be because I have upset some
childish-minded people with my opinions. These people can read past my
(rather trivial) spam shield and "volunteer" me for "services" which
get me spam; maybe I'd better go for greater anonymity or use a spare
box for email replies to news posts (of which I get hardly any
anyway).

But perhaps there's some other hidden cause. I'd be grateful for
further hints (which do not insult my intelligence) as to how my
identity may be "leaking" out.

At present, approximately 80% of my email is spam. I repeat, I do NOT
spray my identity around websites, seeking free offers. I have munged
hidden email addresses in my browsers and use a browser and email that
are totally separate.

"Is there anything else I could have done and have not done?"
Improperia: Good Friday.

Steve B.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:48 +1300, Steve B wrote:

> On 20 Feb 2004 17:57:28 -0800, (Roger Ramjet)
> wrote:
>

>>3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
>>section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
>>This will delete the entire folder.

How do you display the folders section? Is this something that can be
displayed from the https://www.paradise.net.nz/webmail/ page?
Thanks

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:39:07 +1300, pete <> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:48 +1300, Steve B wrote:
>
>> On 20 Feb 2004 17:57:28 -0800, (Roger Ramjet)
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
>>>section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
>>>This will delete the entire folder.
>
>How do you display the folders section? Is this something that can be
>displayed from the https://www.paradise.net.nz/webmail/ page?
>Thanks

Yep, if you have spam there's a "Spam" tab in your inbox.

pete <> wrote in
news::

> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:48 +1300, Steve B wrote:
>
>> On 20 Feb 2004 17:57:28 -0800, (Roger Ramjet)
>> wrote:
>>
>
>>>3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
>>>section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
>>>This will delete the entire folder.
>
> How do you display the folders section? Is this something that can be
> displayed from the https://www.paradise.net.nz/webmail/ page?
> Thanks
>

I tried to find that out in the help pages but found nothing so email the
help desk to see if it can be deleted in bulk and if it counted towards you
mail box allocation. They only reply to email during the week and say to
expect a reply with in 4 days. I try and remember to post the results back
here when I get them


--
Chris

"Two men walk into a bar. You'd think the second one would've ducked..."

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:28:58 +1300, Invisible wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:39:07 +1300, pete <> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 17:24:48 +1300, Steve B wrote:
>>
>>> On 20 Feb 2004 17:57:28 -0800, (Roger Ramjet)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>>3> You don't need delete ten messages at a time. Under the folders
>>>>section you can click the trash can to the right of the spam folder.
>>>>This will delete the entire folder.
>>
>>How do you display the folders section? Is this something that can be
>>displayed from the https://www.paradise.net.nz/webmail/ page?
>>Thanks
>
> Yep, if you have spam there's a "Spam" tab in your inbox.

Yeah, got the Spam tab, thats easy. Where's the trash can? Doesn't display
on the view I have. Flash is turned on.