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Ralph Fox
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      02-07-2004

Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?

I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.

Am I just wasting my time?


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Russell Smithies
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      02-07-2004
Ralph Fox wrote:
> Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?
>
> I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
> or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
> I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
> address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
> More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
> catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.
>
> Am I just wasting my time?


I guess you're forwarding the spam back to
spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??
I think it always works for me, but hard to know without requesting the same
spammer to deliver twice

Russell


 
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Howard
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      02-08-2004
Russell Smithies wrote:

> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??


Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated form?

A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?


 
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Russell Smithies
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      02-08-2004
Howard wrote:
> Russell Smithies wrote:
>
>> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??

>
> Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated
> form?
>
> A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?


good point

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Enkidu
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      02-08-2004
On Sun, 8 Feb 2004 15:16:52 +1300, "Russell Smithies"
<(E-Mail Removed)> wrote:

>Howard wrote:
>> Russell Smithies wrote:
>>
>>> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??

>>
>> Wounldn't that address be a good one to leave in _non_-obfuscated
>> form?
>>
>> A spambot picking it up would be a good thing, wounldn't it?

>
>good point
>
>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>

I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
wouldn't it?

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Ralph Fox
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      02-08-2004
On Sat, 7 Feb 2004 23:47:10 +1300, in article
<zn3Vb.36868$(E-Mail Removed)>, Russell Smithies wrote:

> Ralph Fox wrote:
> > Does reporting spam to Xtra actually have any effect?
> >
> > I have been getting half a dozen spams touting "Suepr Viigara" [sic]
> > or other deliberate misspellings, every day for the past month.
> > I've forwarded almost every one of them to the Xtra spamreport
> > address, yet Xtra still seem no nearer being able to filter them.
> > More curious, as I have a simple filter in my e-mail client which
> > catches every one of them and has had no false positives to date.
> >
> > Am I just wasting my time?

>
> I guess you're forwarding the spam back to
> spamreportATxtraDOTcoDOTnewzealand??


I am indeed.

> I think it always works for me, but hard to know without requesting the same
> spammer to deliver twice


It hasn't made a dent on this particular spamhouse's spam.

It would indicate that this spamhouse has found a way around
the Brightmail spam filtering engine.



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Uncle StoatWarbler
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      02-08-2004
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:

>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>>

> I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
> address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
> wouldn't it?


It's not a valid address anyway. The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.

I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.


 
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Uncle StoatWarbler
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      02-08-2004
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:09:07 +0000, Ralph Fox wrote:

> It hasn't made a dent on this particular spamhouse's spam.
>
> It would indicate that this spamhouse has found a way around
> the Brightmail spam filtering engine.


Ralph,

Please do us all a favour: Post everything you have on the spammer to
news.admin.net-abuse.email, including your experiences with Xtra.

The results will be worthwhile.


 
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Enkidu
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      02-09-2004
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:15:38 +0000, Uncle StoatWarbler
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>On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:
>
>>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>>>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
>>>

>> I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
>> address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
>> wouldn't it?

>
>It's not a valid address anyway. The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.
>
>I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.
>

Heh! Maybe but lots of places just devnull the abuse@ emails. They are
a favourite target of SPAMmers. Real abuse reports actually go to
another address.

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Ralph Fox
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      02-09-2004
On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 17:15:38 +0000, in article
<(E-Mail Removed) et.nz>, Uncle StoatWarbler wrote:

> On Sun, 08 Feb 2004 16:24:47 +1300, Enkidu wrote:
>
> >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
> >>spam report @ xtra.co.nz.com
> >>

> > I don't think that's a good idea. You were right the first time. That
> > address would be pretty useless if it was being spammed silly,
> > wouldn't it?

>
> It's not a valid address anyway.


The mail doesn't bounce.

> The RFCs specify abuse@ for such things.


No, the RFCs specify abuse@ for other things.
The address abuse@xtra would be for sending complaints about spam
originating from inside Xtra's network (i.e. abuse _BY_ xtra customers).

The spamreport@xtra address is for sending examples of spam received
by Xtra customers. Almost all of this spam originates from outside Xtra.

The only case where both addresses would apply is when an Xtra customer
was spamming Xtra customers.


> I forsee Xtra again finding their way into widespread Blacklists.


Why?

Do the maintainers of these blacklists not understand the difference
between spam coming into Xtra's network from outside, and spam
originating from inside Xtra's network?


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