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The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
sharing it's content on P2P networks.

http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:

> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>
> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html

I love that closing quote.

"Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
engage in illegal activity."

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
>
>> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
>> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>>
>> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
>
>I love that closing quote.
>
> "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
> now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
> engage in illegal activity."

Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
demand the information themselves.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
>
>> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
>> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>>
>> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
>
> I love that closing quote.
>
> "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will now be
> less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who engage in
> illegal activity."

I prefer this one
"Internet users are the winners in the Verizon case," said Electronic
Frontier Foundation (EFF) Staff Attorney Wendy Seltzer. "The effect of the
appeals court decision is that we do not lose our privacy simply by
connecting to the Internet. The ruling stops the record labels from taking
our free speech rights as collateral damage in the campaign against the
American music fan."

"Craig Shore" <> wrote in message
news:...
> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
> >
> >> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
> >> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
> >>
> >> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
> >
> >I love that closing quote.
> >
> > "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
> > now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
> > engage in illegal activity."
>
> Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
> letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
> isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
> demand the information themselves.
>
>
>

So, how does this following headline fit into the current scheme of things?
http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38142

Music industry will prosecute - "NZ music industry will prosecute kiwis who
illegally download music- says many young NZers don't think it's wrong"

In article <3fe54149$>,
says...
>
> "Craig Shore" <> wrote in message
> news:...
> > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
> > >
> > >> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
> > >> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
> > >>
> > >> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
> > >
> > >I love that closing quote.
> > >
> > > "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
> > > now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
> > > engage in illegal activity."
> >
> > Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
> > letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
> > isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
> > demand the information themselves.
> >
> >
> >
>
> So, how does this following headline fit into the current scheme of things?
> http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38142
>
> Music industry will prosecute - "NZ music industry will prosecute kiwis who
> illegally download music- says many young NZers don't think it's wrong"
>

Fantastic business plan, sue your custimers or potential customers.
I really can't see people taking a shine to it!

--

Chris

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 18:38:17 +1300, Lebowski wrote:

>
> "Craig Shore" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>> On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
>> >
>> >> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
>> >> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
>> >
>> >I love that closing quote.
>> >
>> > "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
>> > now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
>> > engage in illegal activity."
>>
>> Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
>> letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
>> isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
>> demand the information themselves.
>>
>>
>>
>
> So, how does this following headline fit into the current scheme of things?
> http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38142
>
> Music industry will prosecute - "NZ music industry will prosecute kiwis who
> illegally download music- says many young NZers don't think it's wrong"

The change in interpretation of the subpoena provisions of the DMCA will
make no difference in New Zealand.
Michael Gladding will still have to **** or get off the pot.
First the copyright holder will have to file an action for copyright
infringement and then make a case for the court to subpoena information
from the ISP. Rather than the reverse which has been possible for the RIAA
in the US.

"ChrisOD" <> wrote in message
news:. ..
> In article <3fe54149$>,
> says...
> >
> > "Craig Shore" <> wrote in message
> > news:...
> > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
> > > >> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
> > > >>
> > > >> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
> > > >
> > > >I love that closing quote.
> > > >
> > > > "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
> > > > now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
> > > > engage in illegal activity."
> > >
> > > Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
> > > letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
> > > isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
> > > demand the information themselves.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > So, how does this following headline fit into the current scheme of
things?
> > http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38142
> >
> > Music industry will prosecute - "NZ music industry will prosecute kiwis
who
> > illegally download music- says many young NZers don't think it's wrong"
> >
>
> Fantastic business plan, sue your custimers or potential customers.
> I really can't see people taking a shine to it!
>
>

Considering Sony manufacture portable mp3 players and hi-fi systems that are
aimed at consumers with hundreds of the "illegal" files people have ripped /
downloaded, I find it an incredibly hypocritical stance on their part. They
should be thanking the pirates for creating demand for their new product
lines, not biting the hand they feed from..

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:01:23 +1300, Lebowski wrote:

>
> "ChrisOD" <> wrote in message
> news:. ..
>> In article <3fe54149$>,
>> says...
>> >
>> > "Craig Shore" <> wrote in message
>> > news:...
>> > > On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie <>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
>> > > >> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
>> > > >
>> > > >I love that closing quote.
>> > > >
>> > > > "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will
>> > > > now be less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who
>> > > > engage in illegal activity."
>> > >
>> > > Yeah, it's just impossible for them to ask the ISP to send a warning
>> > > letter on to their customer on the RIAAs behalf to settle out of court
>> > > isn't it. There's just no other way than having the legal right to
>> > > demand the information themselves.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > So, how does this following headline fit into the current scheme of
> things?
>> > http://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/default.asp?id=38142
>> >
>> > Music industry will prosecute - "NZ music industry will prosecute kiwis
> who
>> > illegally download music- says many young NZers don't think it's wrong"
>> >
>>
>> Fantastic business plan, sue your custimers or potential customers.
>> I really can't see people taking a shine to it!
>>
>>
>
> Considering Sony manufacture portable mp3 players and hi-fi systems that are
> aimed at consumers with hundreds of the "illegal" files people have ripped /
> downloaded, I find it an incredibly hypocritical stance on their part. They
> should be thanking the pirates for creating demand for their new product
> lines, not biting the hand they feed from..

You are complaining about action that the guy in charge of the record
division has blustered about but not actually done anything about.
At this stage his rhetoric is as empty as... well ...yours actually

DUser <> wrote:

>On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 09:43:59 -0600, techie wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 23:48:09 -0600, Craig Shore wrote:
>>
>>> The RIAA no longer has the right to subpoena ISPs for users names
>>> sharing it's content on P2P networks.
>>>
>>> http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/s...589046,00.html
>>
>> I love that closing quote.
>>
>> "Verizon is solely responsible for a legal process that will now be
>> less sensitive to the interests of its subscribers who engage in
>> illegal activity."
>
>I prefer this one
>"Internet users are the winners in the Verizon case," said Electronic
>Frontier Foundation (EFF) Staff Attorney Wendy Seltzer. "The effect of the
>appeals court decision is that we do not lose our privacy simply by
>connecting to the Internet. The ruling stops the record labels from taking
>our free speech rights as collateral damage in the campaign against the
>American music fan."

However I bet the RIAA will go to George W and say we need this to
help you combat the War on Terror and GW will give it to them..